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NVR: Gender Equality (global)

Since there have been a few interesting gender discussions here, I thought I'd share these articles:

http://www.reuters.com/article/worldNews/idUSL0656475220071108?pageNumber=2&sp=true.

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/11/01/fashion/01WORK.html?em&ex=1194670800&en=8807d6128cc02c1b&ei=5070

Gee, we're so...advanced?  Sad, imo.

WOW.

Those are both great articles.

I personally know plenty of people who still deny that the gender gap is THIS bad in America--after all, we're the best gawl-durned country in the world!  Amurrrica is all about freedom!
Their claims? The Feminist movement was just a thing of the 70's.  Women have the right to vote, that means equality.  And hey! Not all of us are secretaries, teachers, and stay-at-home housewifes anymore...so this slight improvement means we can stop worrying about fighting for our rights....right?

Too bad it's usually those people who are too lazy/preoccupied with other trivial matters to take time to read articles like these.

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Thanks for the article links.  I've forwarded them to family and friends in the hopes some will read.  It is infuriating how much this still goes on everyday!   I used to be the "nice girl" at work, and after getting sh*t on repeatedly, I am now the pissed off, f*ck you all if you don't like it, woman at work. So sad since I'm normally a super nice person and away from work I still am.  But at work it's so obvious how unjust and unequal our society's perceptions still are. But the guys don't see it and certainly don't care. 

But yeah, it goes on EVERYWHERE in our society, too!! 

I agree wiith everything you wrote Carrot Wench!   >:(     >:(   

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Well, here we go again.

Edit, because I want to clarify my meaning:  I'm half-expecting this thread to turn into a discussion (once again) on why feminism is immoral, or other such nonsense.  And, most people recognize that gender equality is still a goal to work towards, and not yet a reality. 

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Yes, those were great articles. I am currently taking a Women and Work class, so the articles were both enjoyable and beneficial. It certainly is sad that the US ranking for gender equity has fallen, however, it is not surprising. The US strives to be a powerful force in the world. The US is a patriarchal society.  Values are placed in consumerism and objectification. In order for those in power (primarily rich, white, males) to stay in power, they must remain in superior/dominate positions. The historical, classical, power dualities are rich over poor, white over nonwhite, male over females. Staying in power has apparently not been too challenging for those at the top. This may be because those in power are also those that make the rules. I believe that the mass population is persuaded to believe stereotypes through visual programming (t.v.'s, propaganda, etc.). For example, a few years ago there was a bill on the ballot in Oregon wanting to include more information on food labels, such as if the product contained GMOs. To combat this bill, companies paid a lot of money advertising that labeling such information would cost a lot of extra money which would in turn be passed onto the consumer through higher prices. The majority of the populating believed this argument (some didn't bother to find out or pay attention to who was paying for the advertisements) and the bill was not passed. The population was persuaded by propaganda.
Fortunately, some progress has been made by the oppressed in the US. There is, however, still a long way to go. It is nice to remain aware of that. Like Ani DiFranco sings, "They give just enough to make us think that we see change".

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Well, here we go again.

;D  Yeah, things could get interesting. 

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Wow.  I've been on a tyrade about children's toy commercials for the past few weeks.  (No little girls in tonka commercials, no little boys in kitchen playset commercials, etc.)  I'll add this to the list of things to be p*ssed off about.  That's pretty crazy, though!

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Wow.  I've been on a tyrade about children's toy commercials for the past few weeks.  (No little girls in tonka commercials, no little boys in kitchen playset commercials, etc.)  I'll add this to the list of things to be p*ssed off about.  That's pretty crazy, though!

Oh, the toys...  >:(

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Okay, let me also clarify by saying I didn't post this to start any shoving matches; I'm inherently interested in gender (in)equality and have found others to be so here, as well.  I really am just sharing!

To me, it's important to share these kinds of stories, articles, and studies, particularly because many people either won't or can't access this kind of information.  And, the only way to achieve quality results is to remain informed - something I find to be true in all aspects in life.  I think it's particularly important to remain aware of gender hypocrisies and double standards so that generational gaps aren't formed; i.e. the feminists of the 70's really are far removed from today's young women, and I don't want to see their fight become historical, with zero furthering.  Does that make sense?

Anyway, I agree with all the points made thus far.  I look forward to a day when women are paid just as much as men are (my cousin, who is female, has a bachelor's degree in nursing and makes less than her husband working in the exact same field, in the same hospital, with the same amount of experience, with an A.S. degree).  I want girls and boys BOTH to play with whatever toys they like, not just those that are marketed towards them via gender stereotypes.  I expect to be taken seriously at work when I have on lipstick and when I don't, and I expect my kindness to be accepted as a sign of good ethics, not mushy girliness (and no, I don't think girliness is mushy - just playing on preconceived stereotypes).

So thanks to all who will share the message.  I know I won't stop until gender equality is just that.

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To me, it's important to share these kinds of stories, articles, and studies, particularly because many people either won't or can't access this kind of information.  And, the only way to achieve quality results is to remain informed - something I find to be true in all aspects in life.  I think it's particularly important to remain aware of gender hypocrisies and double standards so that generational gaps aren't formed; i.e. the feminists of the 70's really are far removed from today's young women, and I don't want to see their fight become historical, with zero furthering.  Does that make sense?
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So thanks to all who will share the message.  I know I won't stop until gender equality is just that.

You go girl!  :)

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i love the toy commercials, esp the "rosepetal cottage" one. all her dreams come true.

as someone on the Sociologists for Women in Society listserve said, "i know i dream about doing laundry and making muffins for others".

this is one of the areas my research is in (gender and family-work) and i have a paper coming out next spring looking at media and the reproduction of "traditional" gender norms in families. try as much as we want to believe otherwise, there is still a big issue going on in the US and in many other countries.

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as someone on the Sociologists for Women in Society listserve said, "i know i dream about doing laundry and making muffins for others".

I love that!  ;D

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I want to say thanks for sharing the articles, they are very interesting. I still don't feel very strongly about the issue though. I suppose it's because I'm just really lucky in that I never had an problems at work. I know for a fact that I get paid decent money for what I do. I feel I am treated equally so it's hard for me to get riled up about.

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The rosepetal cottage really p*sses me off.  I am a woman engineer and d**n proud of it, graduated with a woman to men ration of 1 to 5.  If I ever had a daugher I would not allow her to play with dolls, rosepetal cottage or any garbage like that.  It will be math...math...math.  The most important subject.  I would get my daughter hot wheels, RC planes, and fun things, no garbage "girlly" stuff.  I hate "girlly" stuff.  Sorry, my own tyrant going there.  I always hated girlly stuff when I would get it as a child, I was a bleeding knees tomboy.  I had one barbie as a child, it wound up naked and headless in the bottom of the toybox, under all of my hot wheels, toy trucks, and my fun toys.  Yes, my favorite show when I was young was Transformers!!! ;D

Just had to edit, something funny I remember, I used my barbie as an obsticle to run my "big foot" truck over.

But really, I am like lasadonii (sp?).  I haven't experience much in the way of sexism at work, but I did see a little of it in school.  Perhaps once a woman gets her engineering degree they figure that we paid our due, same as men, and deserve the same pay and work as a man.  But then again, I don't know what others are getting paid because we are not allowed to discuss that...but I don't think it is different.

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I personally think its great that we encourage girls to play with kitchen sets and baby dolls...boys should not play with those things...its better that we give them tools and stuff so they can learn to be real men (IE NOT GAY) ::)
Thanks for the article links.  I've forwarded them to family and friends in the hopes some will read.  It is infuriating how much this still goes on everyday!   I used to be the "nice girl" at work, and after getting sh*t on repeatedly, I am now the pissed off, f*ck you all if you don't like it, woman at work. So sad since I'm normally a super nice person and away from work I still am.  But at work it's so obvious how unjust and unequal our society's perceptions still are. But the guys don't see it and certainly don't care. 

But yeah, it goes on EVERYWHERE in our society, too!! 

I agree wiith everything you wrote Carrot Wench!   >:(     >:(   

FAIR GAME!!!!!!!!!!! (I don't think this at all.......... in case you didn't know but couldn't help being a pill...

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I did play with barbies, my little ponies, and she-ra, but I also had a ton of legos. Moslty we played outside riding bikes & running around in the neighborhood & playing jailbreak or building forts in the woods.  I think I turned out ok, barbie didn't destroy my self image.

I can't view the rose petal cottage here at work but it sounds like crap, I give you that one!

I guess my opinion on this subject is, yes, women should be treated equally as men, but on the other hand I like feeling like a woman too. I can wear makeup & a skirt to my engineering job and get paid just as much as a man.

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I personally think its great that we encourage girls to play with kitchen sets and baby dolls...boys should not play with those things...its better that we give them tools and stuff so they can learn to be real men (IE NOT GAY) ::)

FAIR GAME!!!!!!!!!!! (I don't think this at all.......... in case you didn't know but couldn't help being a pill...

LMAO. really?

honestly, i don't see any problems in letting children be how they want. if a little girl likes playing house, etc, i don't see a problem with this. the problem is in the socialization... that girls/boys are "pushed" into wanting to play these things... either subconciencly (associating it as something "they should like/do" because of their gender) or by force (teasing, harassment, lack of other options).

at girl scout camp, where i worked for years, i would often have "nail parties" with the girls where they would paint each others nails (generally poorly with "weird colors") and people would said, why do  you let them do that? (as though nail painting is the epitome of being a girl) and i say, because they enjoy it. unfortunately, my nails were often also done... which isn't bad working at a sleep over camp until you hit town on a break and realize each nail is a different color(s).

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I can't view the rose petal cottage here at work but it sounds like crap, I give you that one!

well, at least it didn't have her little "husband" on the chair.. she did, after all, just offer a muffin to mom and the teddy bear! playing house is fine.. i just wish they had a little boy playing house too... maybe doing the dishes as she made the "muffins"

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"as someone on the Sociologists for Women in Society listserve said, "i know i dream about doing laundry and making muffins for others"."  -BP

Funny, I enjoy doing laundry and making muffins for others, but I was always the little kid with the GI joe and he-man (<-- He's hot) and action video games.  I guess I got saturated with all that masculine crap so that now I'd rather paint my nails.  My sisters and brother were raised in the gender norms, and they turned out quite typical.  Hmm, now I'm babbing...

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;D  That is totally awesome snowqueen!!  Are you really not allowed to discuss pay at work?  That seems like a problem in itself, because how can individual cases of discrimination be rooted out when employees cannot be compared?

Those ads make me so pissed!  :-X  Partially at the businesses for making those products but more so at parents and society in general for letting gender roles to persist.  I wasnt totally surprised by the article that compared countries, but I was surprised south africa ranked above the US.  That was pretty unexpected, and I played a trick on a couple of people mentioning to them gender inequality in south africa and they took to it  ;)  They seemed pretty surprised that south africa along with 30 other countries (and rising) rank above the US.  ::)

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