would you eat meat if it were humanely raised and humanely slaughtered?
Posted by longer_look on Mar 04, 2010 · Member since Feb 2010 · 369 posts
if there is such a thing as "humanely slaughtered".
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There isn't such a thing as "humanely slaughtered". Slaughter is slaughter no matter how much sugar someone tries to put on it. So, no.
Personally, no. I know many semi-vegetarians who go back and forth on this topic though.
For me, it's very simple: If I have access to plant-based foods (which I do) why not eat them? They're healthier and I would not feel bad if I had to pick them. Whereas I would feel horrible if I killed an animal. It goes against our higher nature as evolving humans to kill anything in my opinion.
Cause the least harm...
if there is such a thing as "humanely slaughtered".
no i would not eat meat ever... there is no way to humanely slaughter an animal unless you just waited until it died and then ate it?!? i could see dairy products as having the possibility of being more humane... of course not with current circumstances...
me personally: i would never eat meat or dairy because it's not necessary to live and it clogs you up... i enjoy my vegan poopies :)
Personally, no. I know many semi-vegetarians who go back and forth on this topic though.
For me, it's very simple: If I have access to plant-based foods (which I do) why not eat them? They're healthier and I would not feel bad if I had to pick them. Whereas I would feel horrible if I killed an animal. It goes against our higher nature as evolving humans to kill anything in my opinion.
Cause the least harm...
This.
Meat's not so tempting for me that I'm looking for a loophole. I used to get asked this type of question a lot from curious people, but now instead of considering the philosophical-whatevers, it's more about why I would I want to eat it anyway? If my life truly depended upon it, sure. But it's just a consumer product that I'm not interested in; it's like if you could get cheap-ass sneakers made in China but were guaranteeeed not from a sweatshop, the workers somehow got fantastic wages and health benefits, lalala. I still don't want cheap-ass sneakers; I want nice ones.*
* I'd probably buy those sneakers anyway.
No.
no. they're still animals and they're not here for me to eat them.
Nope.
If the slaughter was done in the interests of the animal (aka euthanasia) it would depend on that specific case.
And I don't see a reason here to draw a line between humans and non-human animals.
Never. I find eating flesh revolting and inhumane. I have nightmares of finding meat products in my food. Seriously, nightmares. I find other animals equally, if not more, deserving than humans- so eating meat, for me, would seem cannibalistic.
There isn't such a thing as "humanely slaughtered". Slaughter is slaughter no matter how much sugar someone tries to put on it. So, no.
yes.
plus it's not healthy.
Never. I find eating flesh revolting and inhumane. I have nightmares of finding meat products in my food. Seriously, nightmares. I find other animals equally, if not more, deserving than humans- so eating meat, for me, would seem cannibalistic.
Do you put other animals ahead of humans on the basis of their species?
There isn't such a thing as "humanely slaughtered". Slaughter is slaughter no matter how much sugar someone tries to put on it. So, no.
yes.
plus it's not healthy.
seconded
If my life truly depended upon it, sure. But it's just a consumer product that I'm not interested in;
hmmph... makes sense.
yesterday i was trying to find a family farm... found one. he told me i could visit. told me the name of the meat packers... and i just kept thinking i was looking for a reason to eat meat. i don't have one. i don't need one. i'm fine without it... so why eat it.
this is all just so new for me... and people keep bringing up all these "what-ifs". funny thing is, as i'm sure you all experience as well, i don't ever bring up vegan-ism. people just seem to want to argue with me. and talk to me about it.
If my life truly depended upon it, sure. But it's just a consumer product that I'm not interested in;
hmmph... makes sense.
yesterday i was trying to find a family farm... found one. he told me i could visit. told me the name of the meat packers... and i just kept thinking i was looking for a reason to eat meat. i don't have one. i don't need one. i'm fine without it... so why eat it.
this is all just so new for me... and people keep bringing up all these "what-ifs". funny thing is, as i'm sure you all experience as well, i don't ever bring up vegan-ism. people just seem to want to argue with me. and talk to me about it.
You'll find this is common. For some reason, your veganism makes other people uncomfortable. They see it as an affront to their system of eating, and without you saying a word, many people will find the need to defend themselves. This is often done by trying to poke holes in your veganism, thus making them feel better about their patchy beliefs. If the focus is on you, then it doesn't have to fall on them, and then they won't have to assess whether they truly believe what they're doing is aligned with their values. I've had so many different conversations where someone is trying to tell me what I am doing is wrong for A,B,and C reasons. I simply tell them that I'm not trying to be perfect, I'm just trying to make the world a slightly less violent place. If you admit that you don't think you're perfect from the beginning, then there's nothing they can say to try and deflate you!
love it. thanks for the advice!
Nope -- doesn't matter a bit: still the same creature I wouldn't eat before.
BUT, I do support the movement among meat eaters towards a less hideous way of doing things. If someone isn't willing (or in some cases, maybe, just not quite ready yet) to avoid eating animals, I'd rather they do it with less suffering than with more suffering...
Humans are a shockingly diverse species... I don't think it's ever gonna be the case that we *ALL* agree to only eat plant-based foods. Since it seems likely that meat-eating is not becoming culturally extinct in the near future -- though I certainly wouldn't eat pigs or cows or chickens no matter HOW they were raised or killed -- I think the consciousness shift towards less torturous animal agriculture practices is at least a somewhat positive societal development.
Still plenty of room for improvement, obviously! But less harm is still less harm... so maybe it's a start?
I agree, I don't believed there is such as thing as "humanely slaughtered". Killing an animal is killing an animal, no matter how painless you try to make it, it is still killing, period.
Now, if the Star Trek food replicator exhisted then yes I would probably eat meat.
But like others said, why eat meat when there are so many plants available to eat, and in my opinion, plants are way more tasty then meat. People use plants to give their meat flavor (example, garlic on chicken or whatever). Why eat the meat when you are just going to make it taste like plants?
Never. I find eating flesh revolting and inhumane. I have nightmares of finding meat products in my food. Seriously, nightmares. I find other animals equally, if not more, deserving than humans- so eating meat, for me, would seem cannibalistic.
Do you put other animals ahead of humans on the basis of their species?
No, but I find that animals react in much more appropriate ways to life's scenarios than humans do. They're pure and angelic. A dog that bites someone is often taught that behavior either through training or as a reaction to being abused, therefor losing their trust in other humans. Then who is put to sleep? The dog, who was just trying to protect him/herself, or the asshole person who put these ideas, directly or indirectly, into this dog's head? If anything should be looked highly upon, it should be the truth that comes from animals. Do they kill to cover up other actions? No. Do they play mind games to enjoy watching others suffer? No. To me, many humans (not all, of course) can be sickening. Just look at what unnecessary actions they have put in to play- only to bring more suffering.
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BUT, I do support the movement among meat eaters towards a less hideous way of doing things. If someone isn't willing (or in some cases, maybe, just not quite ready yet) to avoid eating animals, I'd rather they do it with less suffering than with more suffering...
http://www.thestudentroom.co.uk/showthread.php?p=24001710#post24001710
http://www.veganfitness.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=20679
These threads will be of interest to you.
I can understand the sentiment but I think there isn't a good way to apply it.
Never. I find eating flesh revolting and inhumane. I have nightmares of finding meat products in my food. Seriously, nightmares. I find other animals equally, if not more, deserving than humans- so eating meat, for me, would seem cannibalistic.
Do you put other animals ahead of humans on the basis of their species?
No, but I find that animals react in much more appropriate ways to life's scenarios than humans do. They're pure and angelic. A dog that bites someone is often taught that behavior either through training or as a reaction to being abused, therefor losing their trust in other humans. Then who is put to sleep? The dog, who was just trying to protect him/herself, or the asshole person who put these ideas, directly or indirectly, into this dog's head? If anything should be looked highly upon, it should be the truth that comes from animals. Do they kill to cover up other actions? No. Do they play mind games to enjoy watching others suffer? No. To me, many humans (not all, of course) can be sickening. Just look at what unnecessary actions they have put in to play- only to bring more suffering.
What I bolded seems incredibly naive. However I would agree if you mean that there seems to be in general a lot more in the way of malicious intent in actions that cause unnecessary suffering.
I think humans on the whole due to most us being rational beings have a greater understanding of empathy on the whole as a concept.
That said I wouldn't say that that's clear in certain cases (like maternal instinct, or companion animals, and some of the social bonds, but where those bonds may not exist it seems a lot more clear cut).
Essentially I'd argue due to our ability to think in a critical matter we can view things in a way closer to objectivity.
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