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Agave is worse than HFCS?

I know this isn't really something to argue about, but Dr. Mercola can be a little controversial, I guess. I wasn't sure where to post this. Seemed to not fit into dine and dish. HH?

I am totally addicted to agave  ::)

What do you guys think of this?

I am not a Mercola fan, FTR.

http://www.drmercola.com/

It sounds like Dr Mercola is getting his information from the Weston Price Foundation who also claims that soy is "toxic" and feeding soy products to prisoners is "cruel and unusual punishment". WPF advocates a  meat, butter, and raw milk-centered diet.

Here are some links to their quackery. . .

http://www.diseaseproof.com/archives/debunking-diet-myths-weston-a-price-foundation-stupid-traditions.html
http://unreasonable.org/node/1642

They are basically anti-vegan.

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I personally don't pay attention to anything Dr. Mercola says or things publish by his organization.  I did find the link below interesting.  I don't think there is anything wrong with limited amounts of agave.  Just like any sweetener, it does need to be limited though. 

http://stanford.wellsphere.com/healthy-eating-article/madhava-s-craig-gerbore-responds-to-agave-nectar-controversy-here/584480

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I think agave nectar (organic and raw, especially) is fine in moderation. Like any other sweetener, it's not to be used with reckless abandon! But I don't believe the hype. No way is it the same as HFCS.

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Separate from health considerations, part of what peeves me off about HFCS is the way we subsidize it -- make it so cheap it's thrown into every d*** thing, & then people consume so much sugar they get fat & sick (especially if their family is poor, and buys the cheapest food they can find, out of necessity). NOT a problem w/ agave, for sure...

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Totally overblown.  And it's still a sweetener, which should be used sparingly anyways.  Having switched from a SAD (very sad :( ) diet to a vegan diet, I can say with total confidence that regardless of how much soy and agave (and any other demonized vegan staple) I consume, I am infinitely more healthy now.

And to be honest, I am consuming less soy as a vegan (if it's subsidized, they'll find a way to put it in anything...ugh)

I don't think there's any kind of altruistic intention behind these attacks.  If these people were really serious about educating the public, perhaps they should focus their efforts on condemning and eliminating the established evil-doers-- HFCS, Aspartame, Sucralose, trans fat, etc.  This just sounds like a bunch of horse shit.

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He kind of just disregards the whole low-glycemic thing by saying that antifreeze has a low glycemic index too. That's like saying "Your're vegetarian? You know who else was vegetarian? HITLER!!" and expecting everyone who is vegetarian to cut it out. That doesn't seem like very sound logic for a "doctor" to be using.

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There is a post that says fluoride cases tooth decay?  What a quack!

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I wasn't sure where to post this. Seemed to not fit into dine and dish. HH?

lol.   >:D  (I just read this thread for the first time.)

Here is great, so we can trash Mercola without disrupting the gentlefolk.

I've always thought of agave as roughly equivalent to hfcs, because they're both sugars extracted from plants through an industrial process.  It's like high fructose agave nectar versus high fructose corn syrup.  I don't think either one is actually "good" for you, but in moderation they probably roughly break even.  I'd just choose whichever one you prefer.

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There is a post that says fluoride cases tooth decay?  What a quack!

excessive fluoride can, but usually people get sick in other ways too... it's not like "oh hey, i have tooth decay! it must be the fluoridated water!"

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I've always thought of agave as roughly equivalent to hfcs, because they're both sugars extracted from plants through an industrial process.  It's like high fructose agave nectar versus high fructose corn syrup.  I don't think either one is actually "good" for you, but in moderation they probably roughly break even.  I'd just choose whichever one you prefer.

word. I figure a syrup is a syrup, and even if some have some mineral content, it's still a bunch of sugar. Agave has a nice neutral taste though, but corn syrup works magic for shiny glazes.

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Mercola for the most part isn't quackery.  Still you have to read between the lines.  If a child eats a whole tube of toothpaste the fluoride might kill him.  But does that mean that brushing your teeth with an inch of toothpaste and spitting it out is harmful?  What are the cumulative effects of this toxin?

Many of us have fallen victum of clever marketing of agave.  It's sold in health food stores, and it's touted as "having no effect on the glycemic index", "it's natural", "it's raw", so it can't be bad for you right?

I disagree with the "moderation" idea.  Agave, while perhaps somewhat better that HFCS and pure sugar, should be avoided, used sparingly and limited along with sweets of all kinds.

That said, I like agave as a honey alternative because it's vegan and I will use it instead of other sweeteners.

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I disagree with the "moderation" idea.  Agave, while perhaps somewhat better that HFCS and pure sugar, should be avoided, used sparingly and limited along with sweets of all kinds.

;D  Tweety!!!  That's what moderation meeeeaaans.

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I don't really use much sugar anyway but I've been thinking about using just Stevia. I've never heard anything bad or controversial about it (if you have, let me know) and I can live with the aftertaste that the powder has. I usually use the liquid anyway.

If you're interested in the agave controversy than you might be interested in this article but note that this man works for an agave company: http://www.wellsphere.com/healthy-eating-article/madhava-s-craig-gerbore-responds-to-agave-nectar-controversy-here/584480

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-1 point for misuse of the word "errant" to that dude

I wonder why agave in particular has sparked this controversy? Is it because of its recent rise to popularity (I saw it in Costco the other day!)? Or because it seems more suspect since it's a syrup much like HFCS?
I haven't seen these types of articles about maple syrup (which is all over the 'healthy' type of recipes) or coconut sugar (newer-ish natural sweetener).

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;D  Tweety!!!  That's what moderation meeeeaaans.

Agree to disagree.  Don't want to split hairs, but we do have different definitions it seems.

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-1 point for misuse of the word "errant" to that dude

I wonder why agave in particular has sparked this controversy? Is it because of its recent rise to popularity (I saw it in Costco the other day!)? Or because it seems more suspect since it's a syrup much like HFCS?
I haven't seen these types of articles about maple syrup (which is all over the 'healthy' type of recipes) or coconut sugar (newer-ish natural sweetener).

It probably sparked controversy because clever marketing sparked a rise in popularlity and the false belief that it's o.k. to eat a lot of agave because it's a health food...and people have, and it's being slipped into products like "health food bars".  People want their cake and to eat it too.

The same thing happened in the 80s in the "low fat" craze...people went ga ga for low fat cookies, cakes and ice cream and got fat.  In the 90's it was "low carb"...people went ga ga for low carb cookies, cakes and ice cream and got fat.

We're seeing the same thing today with "gluten free" and "no HFCS..sweetened with agave" products.  

People are so unaware it's sad sometimes.

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Well, we meant the same thing, at least.

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Well, we meant the same thing, at least.

It fact, pretty much everyone in this thread agreed that it shouldn't be eaten all that much.

But we do have to help L2A with her addiction problem.

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Well, we meant the same thing, at least.

It fact, pretty much everyone in this thread agreed that it shouldn't be eaten all that much.

But we do have to help L2A with her addiction problem.

LMAO!!!!
I still use it in my chai tea every morning.
I could be addicted to worse things, I guess. ;)

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I don't think it's worse, I think it is about the same.  My problem with it is it is touted as a healthy alternative... so people who villify HFCS will have no problem going out and buying agave nectar.  I think they should both be avoided wherever possible.

I tried Stevia, but it tasted extremely artificial to me - with a horrid aftertaste much worse than any actual artificial sweetener I have ever had. It's hard to believe that stuff is natural!

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OK, I take it back.  After additional research, I would conclude that agave nectar is worse than HFCS.  AN, although made through a process similar to HFCS, is made in Mexico and is less regulated and more likely to be contaminated than the US made HFCS.  It is also frequently "watered down" with HFCS, which is cheaper than agave nectar, due to the US's lovely corn subsidies.

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