Posted by amymylove on Nov 09, 2010 · Member since Apr 2009 · 5266 posts
exactly what i was thinking AC... geese peoples we need some vegan love up in here <3
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Posted by SnowQueen690 on Nov 10, 2010 · Member since Jun 2005 · 1569 posts
I respect anyone of any faith whose religion (a) helps them to be a kind person; and (b) doesn't harm people who don't share their particular beliefs. I expect the same respect for my freethinkin' nonreligious ways, provided I also meet guidelines (a) & (b). There... wasn't that easier than an apocalypse?! I think so...
Sounds a lot like Buddhism.
You can call me agnostic I think. I am not sure. I am more inclined to think God is a representation, God/Devil, Good/Evil. God represents all that is good, our own innter strength, hope, love, happyness. God is an imaginary friend, someone invisible who is alwasy with us, coforts us with its presence.
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Posted by Minke on Nov 10, 2010 · Member since Feb 2010 · 3503 posts
Posted by dprince on Nov 11, 2010 · Member since Jan 2009 · 365 posts
First, I do not think that anyone was being rude to me and I hope I didn't come across as being rude to anyone else. Second, my comment was meant to say that i believe all believers will be caught up in the rapture sometime soon (and no i do not know when) leaving only the nonbelievers here on this planet. Third, I respect EVERYONES beliefs (or lack of) and I do not try to push my beliefs off onto anyone else. This was, IMO, a post on whether we believe or not, and I answered that question, but after reading the post of some others, it started to sound to me as sort of God bashing and that is why I put my 3rd post on saying that WE (believers) wouldn't be here much longer to cause any more distress to the nonbelievers. IMO
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Posted by humboldt_honey on Nov 12, 2010 · Member since Feb 2007 · 12529 posts
dprince - I don't remember you ever being rude here. Maybe the people who misunderstood are newbs who weren't here before.
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Posted by hotcooknmama on Nov 12, 2010 · Member since Sep 2009 · 848 posts
dprince - I don't remember you ever being rude here. Maybe the people who misunderstood are newbs who weren't here before.
Agreed... & appreciated. :)
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Posted by Narcissus on Nov 21, 2010 · Member since Mar 2006 · 828 posts
I'm coming back from the dead to post this. Lol appropriate?
I don't believe in 'God'; but at the same time, I have no other adequate word for the thing or perhaps even entity in which I do believe. The soaring improbability of the existence of our universe; the strange and beautiful symmetries echoed in the most minute of detectable particles and energies right through to the growth and death of our own universe, our own reality - that's too beautiful to comprehend. To look out at the stars and realise how ancient and great the stars throwing that light across a vast chasm of nothingness are against the futility and ephemerality of my own single human life; but then, what am I in comparison to the instantaneous life of an unstable particle? And in amidst this AWESOME universe, here we are, elements formed into cells, which grow and change and reproduce and eventually evolve into these mad, strange, self-aware molecular machines. We are incredible - beings which can move and think and feel and experience - and communicate! We can create. We can share. We can love.
I don't know about any sentient entities - I feel like trying to describe the devine with something as narrow and petty as mere sentience is hopelessly limiting. But to look out at the beauty and wonder of our strange, capricious, wonderful universe - that beauty IS the divine, to me.
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Posted by veganhippie on Nov 21, 2010 · Member since May 2008 · 5810 posts
narcissus, where have you beeen????!!!!
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Posted by VegeJerryan on Nov 24, 2010 · Member since Sep 2007 · 77 posts
I'm coming back from the dead to post this. Lol appropriate?
I don't believe in 'God'; but at the same time, I have no other adequate word for the thing or perhaps even entity in which I do believe. The soaring improbability of the existence of our universe; the strange and beautiful symmetries echoed in the most minute of detectable particles and energies right through to the growth and death of our own universe, our own reality - that's too beautiful to comprehend. To look out at the stars and realise how ancient and great the stars throwing that light across a vast chasm of nothingness are against the futility and ephemerality of my own single human life; but then, what am I in comparison to the instantaneous life of an unstable particle? And in amidst this AWESOME universe, here we are, elements formed into cells, which grow and change and reproduce and eventually evolve into these mad, strange, self-aware molecular machines. We are incredible - beings which can move and think and feel and experience - and communicate! We can create. We can share. We can love.
I don't know about any sentient entities - I feel like trying to describe the devine with something as narrow and petty as mere sentience is hopelessly limiting. But to look out at the beauty and wonder of our strange, capricious, wonderful universe - that beauty IS the divine, to me.
Touching! Beautifly stated Narcissus! Maybe you've come back from an obe?! I like your sense of wonder and deeper acknowledgment and appreciation! I've been thinking about making copies of this to give to some of my friends and pen pals for times when they might be feeling down, or "down on life". (With your permission(?))
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Posted by Narcissus on Dec 02, 2010 · Member since Mar 2006 · 828 posts
Um, sure, if you want!
Not coming back from an obe; just a vested interest but imperfect understanding of theoretical astrophysics, combined with a fairly liberal religious upbringing. :P I'm happy it meant something to you.
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Posted by SnowQueen690 on Dec 03, 2010 · Member since Jun 2005 · 1569 posts
There was an email I recieved the other day, it was actually a good email until I got to the end. I can't remember exactly what it said, but something along the lines of, such great and wonderous beauty (of animals and such) could not have come about from random events but had to have been created by a great being, artest, creator.
That statement irritated me because it was so narrow. They really have no idea how LOOOOOONG a billion years is, or even a million years.
So I thought of analogy that may help to explain it.
Say a car is moving at 0.0001 mph. When you see that car, what will it appear to be doing? Standing still right?
Say you could percieve time differently, where a day goes by in the span of a second...1001, a day goes by....1002, another day goes by, etc. How fast would that same car appear to be moving then if it is still moving at 0.0001 mph (as compared to your original perception of time)? You would be able to see it move, right? That is how the rocks change, evolution happens, at 0.0000000001 mph.
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Posted by SnowQueen690 on Dec 03, 2010 · Member since Jun 2005 · 1569 posts
Here is one for evolution. Say you have all the ingredients, as well as about 1000 others, to make something delicious to feed your family for dinner. You take a dash of everything you have in your kitchen, cumin, flour, baking soda, red pepper flakes, soymilk, tempeh, etc and throw it all into a huge bowl. Well, that is nasty, it won't work, your kids would reject. You add a few ingredients, take a few out(assuming you can do this, a magic wand that can remove any one ingredient, this repesent the extinction of a species, new ingredients represents the introduction of new species), try it again, still nasty, kids reject, so you try it again.
You do this again, and again, and again, and again, for a million years. Eventually you WILL come up with something good, not sure what, but good. That is evolution.
Imagine you did the same thing for a thousand bowls, working them all at once, doing the same thing for each. Each bowl will end with something different but good. However, kids (the climate) change, so the kids each like something different, some like spicy, some like sweet, etc. Some kids are dessert, some are ocean, some are rainforest, the kids all change their role with time. That is evolution.
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Posted by Dark_Cherry on Dec 03, 2010 · Member since Jul 2010 · 92 posts
Well said SnowQueen. :)
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Posted by abrimmer on Dec 09, 2010 · Member since Jan 2005 · 1198 posts
God is real but you have to have faith... His existence was not meant to be proven... Honestly you think such magnificent beings came out of nothing, out of some mutant goo that somehow evolved into THIS? A "big bang" produced all of this? Well who was the big banger? I dunno this has been discussed before and these conversations tend to go in the same direction... Luv you peeps though <3
I agree with you 100% and that's all I will say because you said it so well. :)
http://www.wonderday.ca/blog/wp-content/uploads/2008/03/oh-my-gawd-posters.jpg
:-D
And I'm not mocking Allychristine, ;)
exactly what i was thinking AC... geese peoples we need some vegan love up in here <3
I respect anyone of any faith whose religion (a) helps them to be a kind person; and (b) doesn't harm people who don't share their particular beliefs. I expect the same respect for my freethinkin' nonreligious ways, provided I also meet guidelines (a) & (b). There... wasn't that easier than an apocalypse?! I think so...
Sounds a lot like Buddhism.
You can call me agnostic I think. I am not sure. I am more inclined to think God is a representation, God/Devil, Good/Evil. God represents all that is good, our own innter strength, hope, love, happyness. God is an imaginary friend, someone invisible who is alwasy with us, coforts us with its presence.
http://www.wonderday.ca/blog/wp-content/uploads/2008/03/oh-my-gawd-posters.jpg
LMAO! Totally wasn't expecting that!
First, I do not think that anyone was being rude to me and I hope I didn't come across as being rude to anyone else. Second, my comment was meant to say that i believe all believers will be caught up in the rapture sometime soon (and no i do not know when) leaving only the nonbelievers here on this planet. Third, I respect EVERYONES beliefs (or lack of) and I do not try to push my beliefs off onto anyone else. This was, IMO, a post on whether we believe or not, and I answered that question, but after reading the post of some others, it started to sound to me as sort of God bashing and that is why I put my 3rd post on saying that WE (believers) wouldn't be here much longer to cause any more distress to the nonbelievers. IMO
dprince - I don't remember you ever being rude here. Maybe the people who misunderstood are newbs who weren't here before.
dprince - I don't remember you ever being rude here. Maybe the people who misunderstood are newbs who weren't here before.
Agreed... & appreciated. :)
I'm coming back from the dead to post this. Lol appropriate?
I don't believe in 'God'; but at the same time, I have no other adequate word for the thing or perhaps even entity in which I do believe. The soaring improbability of the existence of our universe; the strange and beautiful symmetries echoed in the most minute of detectable particles and energies right through to the growth and death of our own universe, our own reality - that's too beautiful to comprehend. To look out at the stars and realise how ancient and great the stars throwing that light across a vast chasm of nothingness are against the futility and ephemerality of my own single human life; but then, what am I in comparison to the instantaneous life of an unstable particle? And in amidst this AWESOME universe, here we are, elements formed into cells, which grow and change and reproduce and eventually evolve into these mad, strange, self-aware molecular machines. We are incredible - beings which can move and think and feel and experience - and communicate! We can create. We can share. We can love.
I don't know about any sentient entities - I feel like trying to describe the devine with something as narrow and petty as mere sentience is hopelessly limiting. But to look out at the beauty and wonder of our strange, capricious, wonderful universe - that beauty IS the divine, to me.
narcissus, where have you beeen????!!!!
I'm coming back from the dead to post this. Lol appropriate?
I don't believe in 'God'; but at the same time, I have no other adequate word for the thing or perhaps even entity in which I do believe. The soaring improbability of the existence of our universe; the strange and beautiful symmetries echoed in the most minute of detectable particles and energies right through to the growth and death of our own universe, our own reality - that's too beautiful to comprehend. To look out at the stars and realise how ancient and great the stars throwing that light across a vast chasm of nothingness are against the futility and ephemerality of my own single human life; but then, what am I in comparison to the instantaneous life of an unstable particle? And in amidst this AWESOME universe, here we are, elements formed into cells, which grow and change and reproduce and eventually evolve into these mad, strange, self-aware molecular machines. We are incredible - beings which can move and think and feel and experience - and communicate! We can create. We can share. We can love.
I don't know about any sentient entities - I feel like trying to describe the devine with something as narrow and petty as mere sentience is hopelessly limiting. But to look out at the beauty and wonder of our strange, capricious, wonderful universe - that beauty IS the divine, to me.
Touching! Beautifly stated Narcissus!
Maybe you've come back from an obe?! I like your sense of wonder and deeper acknowledgment and appreciation! I've been thinking about making copies of this to give to some of my friends and pen pals for times when they might be feeling down, or "down on life". (With your permission(?))
Um, sure, if you want!
Not coming back from an obe; just a vested interest but imperfect understanding of theoretical astrophysics, combined with a fairly liberal religious upbringing. :P I'm happy it meant something to you.
There was an email I recieved the other day, it was actually a good email until I got to the end. I can't remember exactly what it said, but something along the lines of, such great and wonderous beauty (of animals and such) could not have come about from random events but had to have been created by a great being, artest, creator.
That statement irritated me because it was so narrow. They really have no idea how LOOOOOONG a billion years is, or even a million years.
So I thought of analogy that may help to explain it.
Say a car is moving at 0.0001 mph. When you see that car, what will it appear to be doing? Standing still right?
Say you could percieve time differently, where a day goes by in the span of a second...1001, a day goes by....1002, another day goes by, etc. How fast would that same car appear to be moving then if it is still moving at 0.0001 mph (as compared to your original perception of time)? You would be able to see it move, right? That is how the rocks change, evolution happens, at 0.0000000001 mph.
Here is one for evolution. Say you have all the ingredients, as well as about 1000 others, to make something delicious to feed your family for dinner. You take a dash of everything you have in your kitchen, cumin, flour, baking soda, red pepper flakes, soymilk, tempeh, etc and throw it all into a huge bowl. Well, that is nasty, it won't work, your kids would reject. You add a few ingredients, take a few out(assuming you can do this, a magic wand that can remove any one ingredient, this repesent the extinction of a species, new ingredients represents the introduction of new species), try it again, still nasty, kids reject, so you try it again.
You do this again, and again, and again, and again, for a million years. Eventually you WILL come up with something good, not sure what, but good. That is evolution.
Imagine you did the same thing for a thousand bowls, working them all at once, doing the same thing for each. Each bowl will end with something different but good. However, kids (the climate) change, so the kids each like something different, some like spicy, some like sweet, etc. Some kids are dessert, some are ocean, some are rainforest, the kids all change their role with time. That is evolution.
Well said SnowQueen. :)
God is real but you have to have faith... His existence was not meant to be proven... Honestly you think such magnificent beings came out of nothing, out of some mutant goo that somehow evolved into THIS? A "big bang" produced all of this? Well who was the big banger? I dunno this has been discussed before and these conversations tend to go in the same direction... Luv you peeps though <3
I agree with you 100% and that's all I will say because you said it so well. :)
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