PETA wants Franken-meat
Posted by TinTexas on Apr 22, 2008 · Member since Aug 2006 · 1216 posts
http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20080421/lf_afp/usrightsanimalsoffbeat_080421182825
PETA is offering a million $ to the company that develops invitro chicken flesh. I think I'll pass when they get it on the market. Now if it was salmon, maybe. :fish:
I still think this is quite bizarre, just imagine how much chemicals and other crap they would need to make this "meat" grow... I see that the idea is to spare animals from cruel and sadistic death, but that just doesn't make it for me... I'm stunned to see Peta doing that... anyways, my 2 cents.
As much as it's bizarre, gross, and probably unhealthy (hey, I don't have to eat it), if test tube meat would prevent billions of animals from being slaughtered every year, then I have a hard time not supporting it. It wouldn't do any good for the state of the standard american diet or for people's attitudes toward other species, but since the entire population isn't going vegetarian any time soon... :-\
As much as it's bizarre, gross, and probably unhealthy (hey, I don't have to eat it), if test tube meat would prevent billions of animals from being slaughtered every year, then I have a hard time not supporting it. It wouldn't do any good for the state of the standard american diet or for people's attitudes toward other species, but since the entire population isn't going vegetarian any time soon... :-\
I agree--it's truly odd--but I can see how this would majorily imppact the lives of animals--and truly that is what PETA is about--ending animal suffering. I couldn't possibly imagin eating this scary franken meat--but I can see why peta would support something like this--of course I'm wondering how "ethical" this really is--maybe PETA should chance their name to people for animal rights PFAR--since a lot of what they do can be precieved as ethically gray...
i agree that its the lesser of the two evils. most people out there are not going to stop eating meat. in fact, i would think that some veg'ns might go back to eating meat, if their only concern for being so was humane treatment or environment.
Vegetarian Times had an article in (i think ) the august 07 issue discussing this. in it, they talked of taking a small sample of animal flesh to start off the culture. it may be a little different than this procedure, im not sure.
they are already actively testing this in norway or some country like this. ill see if i can find the article.
Although this would end a lot of suffering, there is no way this can be done as PETA suggests, for the same amount of cost and energy as it takes to make chickens. I think, too, for the amount of research and work that would go into it the prize is too puny an incentive. Interesting idea, though, but GROSS!
I think I would eat this (assuming it was vegan). The health reasons for vegetarianism to me aren't important.
PETA should let the public donate directly to the prize money. 1 million isn't enough.
I think I would eat this (assuming it was vegan). The health reasons for vegetarianism to me aren't important.
PETA should let the public donate directly to the prize money. 1 million isn't enough.
I assume you're still young (20s), as you get older, the health reasons will (if you have any common sense) become important. You will witness people you know and your own family coming down with cancer, diabetes and heart disease. All diseases that a vegan diet helps prevent.
PETA sends me solicitations for donations almost every week, sometimes twice a week. I wish there was a way to tell them that for now I've given them all the money that I can and they are wasting materials and postage! But I think I might kick in a little if it was dedicated to that purpose. I started to say "ear-marked". Animal cruelty is reflected in our choice of words and a lot of times we don't even think about where the terms came from! There's a long way to go to get People to actually Treat Animals Ethically!
so i found the old VT article...it was july/ aug 2006 issue.
quoted:
" Vat grown meat would also be safer and more healthful than today's meat, Matheny says. There are so many health problems associated w/ farmed meat. In addition to worrying about antibiotics, steroids and contamination, meat has a very high saturated fat content. But with tissue culture, we can reduce that or even replace that with a healthier fat."
the article also said that the Netherlands is the country that is really actively experimenting with it. Even though they agree that at first, it will be very expensive, the cost will inevitably fall. and they also recognize the fact that they don't have enough land and are concerned w/ factory farming and the environment.
the process of "growing" the meat: remove a small amount of muscle cells (so no, it still wouldnt be vegan) through a needle, let the cells grow and divide in a large "petri dish" ...a vat at the same temp as an animal, filled w/ amino acids, glucose, etc.
then the "soup" would be poured onto large plastic sheets that are continually stretched and "exercised" to keep cells growing. after a few weeks, a milimeter thick sheet of meat could be peeled off and ground into hamburger.
i dunno, its interesting stuff. i dont know if its as scary as some of the GM foods or using industrial chemicals to make food.
I want me some franken-extra-sharp chedder...
They could make it sans pus, I'm sure!
a milimeter thick sheet of meat could be peeled off and ground into hamburger.
*shudders*
That aside, I agree though, LA, it is an interesting possibility. It would be SO good for the environment too, compared to meat farming now.
Intersting, interesting.
If it could all be grown with a sample without hurting the donor--why stop at animals?
Baby Burgers, anyone? I'll bet they're extra tender and tasty.
"SOILANT GREEN IS PEOPLE!"
If it could all be grown with a sample without hurting the donor--why stop at animals?
Baby Burgers, anyone? I'll bet they're extra tender and tasty.
"SOILANT GREEN IS PEOPLE!"
ITS PEOPLE???!!! :o
i always thought it was SOYlent green.
like tofu! haha.
the article also said that there are alot of foods that we think of as normal that arent found in nature, like tempeh, wine, cheese.
um, close, i guess... ???
the article also said that there are alot of foods that we think of as normal that arent found in nature, like tempeh, wine, cheese.
um, close, i guess... ???
??? Haha.
This, to me, is just gross.
GM=bad.
Concerned with factory farming and the effects of eating cholesterol, steroid and fat laden foods?
Go vegan!
Scared to change lifelong eating habits?
Face your fear!
ITS PEOPLE???!!! :o
i always thought it was SOYlent green.
like tofu! haha.
It _is_ Soylent--a mix of soy and lentil, two cheap sources of protein/calories. Yes, I confess my unhealthy obsession with that movie.
I don't get it. If we're already capable of making products that have the taste and texture of meat, why do we have to go to the expense and contortions--not to mention still using animals as commodities--to have the taste and texture of meat. The result isn't any more natural than the soy and wheat products we already have. It's just having meat for meat's sake. As I said, I don't get it.
I don't get it. If we're already capable of making products that have the taste and texture of meat, why do we have to go to the expense and contortions--not to mention still using animals as commodities--to have the taste and texture of meat. The result isn't any more natural than the soy and wheat products we already have. It's just having meat for meat's sake. As I said, I don't get it.
Most ominvores aren't willing to try the "mock" meats and don't believe they really taste like meat or as an acceptable substitute for meat. I have made a tofu scramble for a breakfast potluck and had no one even willing to taste it! I offered to bring a mock tuna salad sandwich filling for the group that eats lunch here and everyone kinda wouldn't say no but didn't say yes. When I did bring it, that they were avoiding me was so very obvious! I don't care, let them eat their shitty Lean Cuisines and Hungry Man artery-cloggers. I do feel sad for all the animals which deaths they are complicit in but if they want to die of heart attacks and colon cancer, it's OK by me. The best tasting food is the veg*n food and they are depriving themselves by not trying it! >:( :(
Soylent? Okay, sorry. I have to confess I've never actually seen the movie--my husband just likes to occasionally walk around the house spouting that famous line.
And Bookmama, I think there are a lot of people who don't quite agree that the veg analogs have the taste and texture of meat. Certainly the deli slices and hot dogs aren't fooling too many people. And there is no true veg equivalent of a pork chop or leg of lamb. I wonder if they'll grow the bones too? (Sorry if I'm grossing you out, but let's face it--this is what omnis want.)
So disappointed to learn of PETA's actions here. It's sort of hypocritical if you think about it.....they stand for ethical treatment of animals. Does that include human animals? Who knows what problems will prevail due to this unsafe, under tested, test tube meat.
One of the faculty members in my program studies muscle development and growth for a living. he's really, really into the subject but I think even he would find this idea distasteful. I say thumbs down for developing this technology.
With current technology we can grow lumps of cancer like gangbusters in vitro. Maybe PETA would like that for the time being, we could bread them and fry them like nuggets :-X
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