LYMPHOMA in animals - any experience?
After many months of researching and testing, it has finally been determined that Shinsei has lymphoma.
If anyone has a companion animal that is a carnivore or omnivore and has undergone treatment for lymphoma, Julie, Shinsei, and I would greatly appreciate any information that you could share. We are especially interested in information regarding illness progression, medicines applied, other medical procedures used in treatment. Regarding medicines applied, the information needed would be about dosing, name, and any side effects determined.
We all thank you for any and all information you can share.
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"It isn't better to feel joy than to feel grief. It is certainly more fun to feel joy--but it isn't better. If something good is happening, it is appropriate to be joyful. If you have experienced loss, it is equally appropriate to be sad."
-LIFE AFTER LOSS, Bob Deits
i'm really sorry to hear about that, it's really sad. unfortunately, i don't have any info on it but i just wanted to send you my well wishes.
I wasn't sure if I should reply to this because my sweet Isabela had lymphoma and died within two months of being diagnosed. My friend's Rottie had to be put to sleep a couple of weeks ago at the age of five with lymphoma. She was told she could do chemo for $5000 and it would only give her sweet boy three or four months. As his was in his throat and he was having breathing difficulties, she did the right thing. Isabela's was in a different place and I tried natural remedies including RIFE treatments. Nothing could save my poor girl.
I can only wish you hope and success in finding a treatment that will help. My thought would be trying to find a naturopathic vet that can give you more insight.
My thoughts are with little Shinsei. What a little sweetheart!
Hugs to you all.
Di
I wasn't sure if I should reply to this because my sweet Isabela had lymphoma and died within two months of being diagnosed. My friend's Rottie had to be put to sleep a couple of weeks ago at the age of five with lymphoma. She was told she could do chemo for $5000 and it would only give her sweet boy three or four months. As his was in his throat and he was having breathing difficulties, she did the right thing. Isabela's was in a different place and I tried natural remedies including RIFE treatments. Nothing could save my poor girl.
I can only wish you hope and success in finding a treatment that will help. My thought would be trying to find a naturopathic vet that can give you more insight.
My thoughts are with little Shinsei. What a little sweetheart!
Hugs to you all.
Di
Thank you both for your kind thoughts, always always appreciated.
Unfortunately, Shinsei was also diagnosed with it in his lymph nodes in the neck also. We were researching and testing and retesting since nothing was definitively showing up using the common approach of "treat the most common illnesses first then move on".
Finally at yesterday's vet appointment, his lymphoma became detectable.
Right now we are just looking to improve his quality life before the inevitable mercy shot since chemo does not work well for ferrets. There is a new procedure called the Tufts Protocol (discovered by a DVM at Tufts Univ.) that we will look into using.
Thank you both again.
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"It isn't better to feel joy than to feel grief. It is certainly more fun to feel joy--but it isn't better. If something good is happening, it is appropriate to be joyful. If you have experienced loss, it is equally appropriate to be sad."
-LIFE AFTER LOSS, Bob Deits
At first I/We thought that Kara had lymphoma. It's been much more of a mystery....
When we were testing her for that, I did research on it and when consulting with Dr. Goldstein we decided to use Glandulars. We are using Kidney and Adrenal Glandulars on her now. They do make and have lymph glandulars. Look into it.....if you have his book, there is a whole section on them.
Sending positive thoughts for your Shinsei!
No experience, but I wanted to send you and your Shinsei comforting and healing energy. Your love for your little guys is so apparent in your posts and I cannot imagine how you must feel right now.
Be well and take care of each other,
Liz
Thank you Dave and Liz for your very kind thoughts and words.
We knew he was sick, but although the previous tenative diagnosis of MegaEsophagus was really bad, this is FAR worse. I've been more stunned and mad than anything right now. I'm angry that we didn't detect it sooner. I'm angry at the breeders that perpetuate these colorings fully KNOWING they carry with it serious genetic defects leading to serious illnesses like cardiomyopathy and deafness. Yes, he is also partially deaf which is directly related to his colorings->genetics. AND he was positively identified with cardiomyopathy last year too. >:( >:( >:(
Dave- can you give me the title of Dr. Goldstein's book? I would very much like to look into it. Any book in English would be coming from overseas but I can put a rush on it and have it hear in 3 or 4 days through amazon.com's Japanese branch I believe.
Also, this "glandulars",is it a supportive therapy? Do you use it the same way many cancer patients also use acupuncture in conjunction with chemo?
Thanks again for the recommendation.
And thank you both for your kindness in thinking of Shinsei.
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"It isn't better to feel joy than to feel grief. It is certainly more fun to feel joy--but it isn't better. If something good is happening, it is appropriate to be joyful. If you have experienced loss, it is equally appropriate to be sad."
-LIFE AFTER LOSS, Bob Deits
Hi yogaferret,
Go to his website:
www.drmarty.com
All the info on his book is there. Glandulars are really a complete therapy. That is what we are doing with Kara right now. I'm sure you can google some info on them.
Good luck!
-dave
My thoughts are with you and little Shinsei.
Hi yogaferret,
Go to his website: www.drmarty.com
All the info on his book is there. Glandulars are really a complete therapy. That is what we are doing with Kara right now. I'm sure you can google some info on them.
Thanks, I was just going to ask for his website since a simple "goldstein glandular" didn't turn it up. ???
Also, which book is it exactly? I found 2 of his that are similar so I'm not sure which is the better/correct one:
http://www.amazon.com/Nature-Animal-Healing-Happiness-Longevity/dp/0679455000
OR
http://www.amazon.com/Nature-Animal-Healing-Definitive-Holistic/dp/0345439198
Also, how can we actually get the glandulars? He doesn't appear to have an online store and the lymph glandular is not showing up in other online stores. Do I need to request it through a vet?
Thank you again.
And thank you to firefightress too. You posted while I was typing. :)
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"It isn't better to feel joy than to feel grief. It is certainly more fun to feel joy--but it isn't better. If something good is happening, it is appropriate to be joyful. If you have experienced loss, it is equally appropriate to be sad."
-LIFE AFTER LOSS, Bob Deits
Thanks, I was just going to ask for his website since a simple "goldstein glandular" didn't turn it up. ???
Also, which book is it exactly? I found 2 of his that are similar so I'm not sure which is the better/correct one:
http://www.amazon.com/Nature-Animal-Healing-Happiness-Longevity/dp/0679455000
OR
http://www.amazon.com/Nature-Animal-Healing-Definitive-Holistic/dp/0345439198
Also, how can we actually get the glandulars? He doesn't appear to have an online store and the lymph glandular is not showing up in other online stores. Do I need to request it through a vet?
Thank you again.
They are both one and the same. I believe all that has changed is the cover. Since Dr. Goldstein has been consulting with me on Kara, I bought some of the Glandulars from him and from my old vet who now lives in Florida.
Here is one website that sells Glandulars:
http://www.sortprice.com/search?q=glandulars
I'm not sure who can/will ship to you.... (are you still in Japan)? Email me and I'll give you my vet's email address. You can email her and ask her more about them and she may have an idea as to how you can get some where you are. There are ways to make your own. Glandulars are basically raw glands that stimulate healthy/new cell growth in specific glands. She might be able to help you with Shinsei as well. She's a sweetheart and has been so helpful over the years. eval(unescape('%64%6f%63%75%6d%65%6e%74%2e%77%72%69%74%65%28%27%3c%61%20%68%72%65%66%3d%22%6d%61%69%6c%74%6f%3a%73%74%61%72%73%68%69%6e%65%72%31%32%33%40%79%61%68%6f%6f%2e%63%6f%6d%22%3e%73%74%61%72%73%68%69%6e%65%72%31%32%33%40%79%61%68%6f%6f%2e%63%6f%6d%3c%2f%61%3e%27%29%3b'))
-dave
They are both one and the same. I believe all that has changed is the cover. Since Dr. Goldstein has been consulting with me on Kara, I bought some of the Glandulars from him and from my old vet who now lives in Florida.
Here is one website that sells Glandulars: http://www.sortprice.com/search?q=glandulars
I'm not sure who can/will ship to you.... (are you still in Japan)? Email me and I'll give you my vet's email address. You can email her and ask her more about them and she may have an idea as to how you can get some where you are. There are ways to make your own. Glandulars are basically raw glands that stimulate healthy/new cell growth in specific glands. She might be able to help you with Shinsei as well. She's a sweetheart and has been so helpful over the years.
-dave
Thanks so much.
I had a feeling they were the same book, but with slightly different titles I wanted to be sure.
As to getting them, I can always do it the roundabout way I get some of my Chinese medicine: have it sent to my MOm who sends it immediately on to me. It's safer than having to go through a formal customs check.
I'll email you right after this. My yahoo username is the same as here.
Thank you again.
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"It isn't better to feel joy than to feel grief. It is certainly more fun to feel joy--but it isn't better. If something good is happening, it is appropriate to be joyful. If you have experienced loss, it is equally appropriate to be sad."
-LIFE AFTER LOSS, Bob Deits
I'm sorry I don't have any advice to offer, but I wanted you to know I'm sending you and Shinsei positive thoughts and hugs.
I can offer no help, but my thoughts are also with you and little Shinsei.
Thank you both Wendie and Pranabelly.
Your kind thoughts are really very appreciated.
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"It isn't better to feel joy than to feel grief. It is certainly more fun to feel joy--but it isn't better. If something good is happening, it is appropriate to be joyful. If you have experienced loss, it is equally appropriate to be sad."
-LIFE AFTER LOSS, Bob Deits
Oh dear... my cat Pepe survived 7 years of breast cancer and repeated mastectomies, so I do sympathize. It was not the cancer that took her from me... it was toxin-contaminated pet food.
Don't let the condition determine how you see your sweet pet. Care for them as best as you can. We spent as much as we could afford and did as much as we thought she could stand to treat her condition and we still felt guilty that we could not do more. When she was ill, there were times during which it was hard to look at her, because I would be so stricken and sad that she was suffering... not that SHE was dwelling on it, she wasn't!
Take time just to love. Go ahead and laugh at Shinsei if s/he gets his (her?) head stuck in a Kleenex box. Do go out and do your thing some evening instead of sitting home worrying. And find a vet you trust, who has treated similar conditions before... it helps you emotionally and your little one physically.
Eat right, and care for yourself, too.
That's my best.
Oh dear... my cat Pepe survived 7 years of breast cancer and repeated mastectomies, so I do sympathize. It was not the cancer that took her from me... it was toxin-contaminated pet food.
Don't let the condition determine how you see your sweet pet. Care for them as best as you can. We spent as much as we could afford and did as much as we thought she could stand to treat her condition and we still felt guilty that we could not do more. When she was ill, there were times during which it was hard to look at her, because I would be so stricken and sad that she was suffering... not that SHE was dwelling on it, she wasn't!
Take time just to love. Go ahead and laugh at Shinsei if s/he gets his (her?) head stuck in a Kleenex box. Do go out and do your thing some evening instead of sitting home worrying. And find a vet you trust, who has treated similar conditions before... it helps you emotionally and your little one physically.
Eat right, and care for yourself, too.
That's my best.
Thank you for all you shared. You are so right
I think we all forgot to take care of ourselves when we're taking care of others.
(I know I haven't been.) So this weekend I'm going to actually read a fiction book and maybe (probably) make brownies.
Thank you again so much.
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"It isn't better to feel joy than to feel grief. It is certainly more fun to feel joy--but it isn't better. If something good is happening, it is appropriate to be joyful. If you have experienced loss, it is equally appropriate to be sad."
-LIFE AFTER LOSS, Bob Deits
UPDATE & NEW QUESTION:
We have decided we will be using ESSIAC but only short term, since he uses enalapril and furosemide ( which are hard on the kidneys: http://www.marvistavet.com/html/pharmacy_center.html ) and research into Sheep Sorrel turns up this:
"Due to the high oxalic acid content, large doses of sheep sorrel can be toxic. Oxalic acid can cause kidney stones , irritate the kidneys, or worsen an existing kidney disorder. For these reasons, those with kidney problems or who are prone to kidney ailments should not use sheep sorrel."
But I am currently modifying that formula with a holistic vet, getting rid of the Sheep's Sorrel and using Turmeric (and others not decided upon yet). The other main ingredients were ok for him.
So we finally come to the question: Has anyone used AGAVE NECTAR with animals as a DELIVERY MEDIUM for medicine?
From my own use of turmeric, I know that herb has a very strong, gritty taste. In order to make the whole formula go down easier I suggested we might try Agave Nectar. It is supposed to have a LOW GLYCEMIC INDEX, recommended for use by people with blood sugar problems. I use it myself for that reason and don't have the same trouble I do if I use honey or sugar.
Anyone tried Agave Nectar with ferrets or know the safety rating for animals in general? Unfortunately, Agave NECTAR is such a new product it doesn't even turn up in the USDA National Nutrient Database for Standard Reference ( http://www.nal.usda.gov/fnic/foodcomp/search/ )
And experience with Agave Nectar or other suggestions for delivery medium _much_ appreciated.
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"It isn't better to feel joy than to feel grief. It is certainly more fun to feel joy--but it isn't better. If something good is happening, it is appropriate to be joyful. If you have experienced loss, it is equally appropriate to be sad."
-LIFE AFTER LOSS, Bob Deits
I don't know about agave nectar or ferrets, but Nutri-Cal "glop" helped Pepe (a cat) when she would not otherwise take in nutrients at all. Mind you, she didn't adore it, because she'd rather not have eaten... but it did really revive her.
I'm sorry I'm not better help but I don't know what ferrets eat!!
I don't know about agave nectar or ferrets, but Nutri-Cal "glop" helped Pepe (a cat) when she would not otherwise take in nutrients at all. Mind you, she didn't adore it, because she'd rather not have eaten... but it did really revive her.
I'm sorry I'm not better help but I don't know what ferrets eat!!
Ferrets are obligate carnivores like cats so they must have a diet based on muscle meat, organ meat, bone etc. BUT they do have some digestive differences, naturally of course. Some introductory articles for the layman by some well-known and highly-respected ferret vets:
http://www.ferretsmagazine.com/ferrets/detail.aspx?aid=10644&cid=3854&category=
http://www.ferretsmagazine.com/ferrets/detail.aspx?aid=10646&cid=3854&category=
http://www.ferretsmagazine.com/ferrets/detail.aspx?aid=10647&cid=3854&category=
If the direct links don't work, just look for these titles below at the same site for a brief peek:
Ferret Nutrition by Susan A. Brown, D.V.M.
Proper Nutrition by Dr. Thomas R. Willard
The Right Food For Your Ferret By Dr. Thomas R. Willard
Specifically, ferrets do not at all digest sources of sugar well. That's why a high-grain diet even if it meets the RDA for their nutrition, eventually plays a strong role in the development of insulinoma. And that's why I'm interested in trying Agave nectar - low gylcemic index, but 1.4-6 times the sweetness of sugar so it should go down deliciously without messing with the blood sugar.
I've heard of that Nutri-cal brand before. My experience with their ferret products however is that they include malt sugar and/or molasses in their products to give it a nice taste.
I'll definitely look into that "glop" . though. Thank you. :)
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"It isn't better to feel joy than to feel grief. It is certainly more fun to feel joy--but it isn't better. If something good is happening, it is appropriate to be joyful. If you have experienced loss, it is equally appropriate to be sad."
-LIFE AFTER LOSS, Bob Deits
No experience with ferrets, but here are some suggestions. I see that you're already doing good things (e.g. Essiac), so these suggestions are for your consideration only. In my experience, you can cure cancer without drugs, or use drugs short-term only until the pet is stabilized.
You might truly benefit from the programs of Dr. Richard Schulze. He has cured almost every type of cancer in animals, including lymphoma. His programs for pets are based on his successful programs for people.
You can read Dr. Schulze's treatments for pets in Unit 10 (Lesson 36) of Sam Biser's Layman's Course for Curing Cancer (pp. 971-1054). The entire course would be useful, though. I think you can still get copies on eBay. Schulze is vegan-oriented (but allows for exceptions), herbally-based, and most of all, highly successful in curing so-called 'incurable' diseases without drugs.
Here is one of Dr. Schulze's HERBAL PROTOCOLS for Lymphoma in pets (pp. 1037-1038):
1) Superfood: 1 level rounded tsp mixed with food, 2 times daily am and pm. You can get various superfoods at the health food store, or try Schulze's own brand, available at www.HerbDoc.com
Or try a human-grade superfood designed specifically for pets, REJUVENATE! For Pets:
www.integratedhealth.com/pet-supplements/rejuvenate.html
2) Milk Thistle seed tincture: 1 dropperful (approx 30 drops) 3 times daily.
3) Children's Echinacea tincture: 1 dropperful (approx 30 drops) 3 times daily with Poke root and Lobelia seed. Poke Root tincture 5 dropperfulls (approx 150 drops) added per 2 oz bottle of Children's echincea. Lobelia seed Tincture: 5 droppers (approx 150 drops) added per 2 oz bottle of Children's Echinacea. Considering that a 2-oz bottle is approximately 70 dropperfuls of liquid, the formula would then be:
85% or 60 droppers of Children's Echincea
7.5% or 5 droppers of Poke root tincture (poke root is specific for lymph cancer)
7.5% or 15 droppers of Lobelia seed tincture
Children's echinacea is just an echinacea tincture with fig juice concentrate and tangerine oil added to make it easy for children to take.
4) Liver-Gallbladder (L-GB) tonic: approximately 1-2 dropperfuls (approx 30 drops) 3 times daily.
You can get it directly from Dr. Schulze at the American Botanical Pharmacy: 800-Herb-Doc or www.HerbDoc.com
You can also make it yourself in a blender. I make it at home, so I can post the full recipe, if you'd like it. Or try your local health food store for similar products.
Dr. Schulze's Liver-Gallbladder (L-GB) formula contains: Milk Thistle seed, Gentian root, Oregon Grape root, Dandelion root, Wormwood herb, Black Walnut hull, Ginger root, Chaparral, Garlic, Fennel seed, and Artichoke leaf. This formula is a very important part of the protocol.
NOTE: This particular protocol was originaly designed for a Scottish Terrier, so scale back the dosages, as necessary. Also, this protocol is only part of a larger program, including herbs, exercise, bodywork, hydrotherapy, etc., which you can read more about in Dr. Schulze's Layman's Course, or in his other books, available at www.HerbDoc.com
A few other recommendations:
The pet should be given a good pet multivitamin, essential fats, and Vitamin C formula. These core supplements are available from your naturally-oriented vet or from 2Docs, Inc., 866-402-DOCS, www.2Docs.net
For NATURAL SWEETENERS, try stevia (liquid drops work well) or Xylitol. Xylitol is a plant-derived sweetener that's 92% as sweet as sugar with little to no glycemic effect. You can buy 1 lb bags inexpensively at the health food store. Mix a tiny bit in food or medicine, or make a solution with a few ounces of water then mix with foods or medicines/herbs.
For blood sugar issues, here is an effective herbal pet diabetes formula, available from HPDI (800-228-4265) or 2Docs.net. This formula can be used on pets who are sensitive to sugar regardless of whether they have diabetes (i.e., it supports blood sugar regulation and prevents spikes in blood sugar levels):
www.integratedhealth.com/pet-supplements/diabetes-defense.html
www.2docs.net/scripts/prodView.asp?idproduct=30
Also, try Chia seeds (preferably ground) sprinkled or mixed in foods to balance blood sugar. Some pets stop needing insulin shots after taking a combination of Diabetes Defense formula and chia seeds. Get chia seeds at your health food store, or online at:
www.integratedhealth.com/hpdspec/chia.html
For immune boosting, here is a mushroom extract that works effectively for animals with cancer. This is the best-known formula, developed in Japan:
www.integratedhealth.com/hpdspec/impo.html
Another good book besides Goldstein's is Cheryl Schwartz's Four Paws, Five Directions: A Guide to Chinese Medicine For Cats and Dogs. Obviously a ferret has different needs than cats and dogs, but as mammals, ferrets share a lot in common, especially structural elements like acupuncture meridians.
I also have info on Rife machines, Hoxey formula recipes, magnesium oil therapy, etc., which I can post later.
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