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Hi everyone,
I'm a 16 year old female vegetarian. I have been vegetarian for about 2-3 years now. I was diagnosed w/ anorexia over a year ago and still have regular doctor appointments. My doctor says my calorie intake is good, but I need more protein.  My heart rate was 42 BPM at my doctor appointment yesturday, so now i have to go back in two weeks. I was wondering if any of you know of some ways i can get alot of protein without eating any meat. I do eat tofu, tempheh, and those alternatives, and I do eat eggs from my chickens at home and do eat organic milk products. I don't eat fish, poultry, meat, etc. Any extra advice would be helpful.... And if anyone has had a problem like this, i'd like to hear about it too, if youre willing to share.

Thank you very much!

Thanks for your replies Julia Vegan and Healthymomma!! I appreciate it so much!! Best of luck to you too Julia Vegan.

I have a doctors appointment tomorrow....hopefully i'll ask if i can get another doctors opinion.

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Hey, why don't you just ask your doctor how many grams you need to eat?  You might already be getting enough, or at least close enough that another glass of something will do the trick.

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Sounds like a sensible thing to do, definitely!

Nice job, Julia!  And congratulations, both of you, for taking charge of your health and getting healthy! 

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My additional question would be: how can I get the added protein if I can't use soy products? cozysnana

this thread is awesome.  im a vegan athlete (marathoner/triathlete) so im pretty avid about my nutrition. 

oftentimes vegetarians are concerned they are not getting enough protein.  While it IS good to be concerned about your diet and eat as well as possible, WHO estimates claim 5% of your calories should come from protein, and in the developing world as long as you eat a reasonably balanced diet (i.e. you're not eating grape jelly with a spoon all day) you cant help but reach that number.

cozysnana, i dont know if you're allergic to soy or not, so im going to throw a bunch of suggestions out here, some of which have soy, some don't

first and foremost is seitan and its ilk.  made from wheat its low fat and super high in protein. more over, ist delicious

dont forget that whole grains contain protein as well.  if youre NOT vegan (i am so i cant eat it) barilla plus pasta has 10g protein per 200 kcal serving.

also, just a plain ol' bowl of oatmeal has 5g protein.
i slice of whole grain toast usually has around 3 g. and even veggies like kale have protein content (2g per 80 kcal)

also, the various processed fake lunch meats-yves canadian bacon, the smartlife sliced fake meats etc.  these DO contain soy protein isolate but have more wheat gluten than soy (by volume). per 80 kcal serving they have between 12-18g protein.

for those that CAN eat soy, I'd reccomend adding TVP to dishes.  22g serving (about 70 kcal) has 11g protein and it tastes liek whatever else you're eating.  i like it on top of pasta, in soups, even in my oatmeal!

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Weelittlebuddy, it definitely sounds like you need a new doctor. There's this wierd idea out there that veg*ism just *can't* be good for you--right alongside the regular docs who pound away at the "5 a day" campaign!! Coherence, please?? LOL ???

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I have to go see my doctor in like 2 hours, so should I just ask him "can I please get another doctors opinion?" or something like that? ....

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You don't need to ask your doctor if you can get another doctor's opinion, that is entirely your choice/responsibility.  You might want to tell him that you are dedicated to your dietary choice (vegetarian) and have done enough research to know that vegetarian/vegan diets are nutritionally adequate (superior, in my opinion).  If he doesn't want to work with YOUR diet, tell him you no longer wish to continue appointments with him and will be seeking out a new doctor for a different opinion.  Thank him for his help and start searching for someone new.  :)

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I don't think I caught you in time for your appointment, but hopefully so!  If not, maybe this'll help next time, if it's still an issue. 

I would ask him targeted questions:

How many grams of protein should I be getting daily?
What other nutrients should I be getting, and in what quantities?
What are good vegan sources for those nutrients? 

Be firm about your commitment to your dietary choices, and take a notebook.  Take notes!  Be ready to be frank and accurate about what you have been eating: if you have been keeping track and can tell him what nutrients you are getting, he should be more able to give on-target suggestions.  Also, he will be pleased to see you planning for your health, and if he cannot suggest vegan alternatives, do ask him for a recommendation for somebody who can help with that part of planning your diet. 

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Also, the protein-content guide on SoyStache might be a great resource for you:

http://www.soystache.com/plant.htm

There are animal sources listed too-- don't be grossed out, just use them to compare!  :)

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Hey everyone, thanks for all the replies! ! They're great!

So, I went to my doctors appointment and it went alright. My blood pressures were good and stayed about the same when i was laying, sitting, and standing.  My heart rate was about 50, which was better than last time.

I asked my doctor appoximately how many grams of protein I should be getting and he said about 120g. I was totally shocked because I didn't know it was that much. What do you guys think?

He also wants me to focus on my calcium intake. I think I do pretty good on that though.....Anyways, he's made an appointment to see a nutritionist who specializes in anorexia, so she'll probably help me more and tell me how I'm doing. I have to do a diary of the foods I eat and how much for about 5 days.

I also took a blood test and today they called me and said they need me to do it again because it showed that my potassium levels were way too high.  So maybe it was just a mess up or there is actually something wrong with my potassium levels. . .I don't know what that does when its too high, but I'm going to surf the web and try to see if i can find anything. I'm going to do the retake blood test probably on monday cause they were closed.

.....Anyways, hope everyones well!! Thanks again.

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I asked my doctor appoximately how many grams of protein I should be getting and he said about 120g. I was totally shocked because I didn't know it was that much. What do you guys think?

120 g of protein is high, the RDA for protein is only 0.8 g of protein per kg of body weight (more if you are pregnant, lactating, or recovering from some serious injury like a burn). 2.2 pounds = 1 kg.  So for your weight of approximately 127 pounds in order to meet the RDA you only need about 46g of protein daily (127/2.2 X 0.8 ).  I'd ask why he's recommending for you to consume well over 2 times (nearly 3 times) the amount of the RDA.  And RDAs are overestimates for most people, they are designed to meet the needs of 97% of the healthy population.  This website has a nice chart, but any basic nutrition textbook will tell you this information:

http://www.time-to-run.com/nutrition/rda.htm

I think if you are eating a wide range of high protein foods everyday (e.g. beans, nuts, seeds, soy products...everything that has been mentioned) AND eating sufficient calories, you shouldn't be too concerned about protein.  But, maybe your doctor has his reasons...

Elizabeth

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I just noticed that you are 16 years old (don't know how I missed that right there in the first post :) ), growing adolescents may have different protein needs than an adult who is not growing.  This is what my nutrition life-cycle textbook says for your age group (it includes a recommendation based on height as well as weight):

Females 15-18 years old, recommended kcal/day: 2200, recommended grams protein/day: 44

Recommended grams of protein by height: .27g/cm (you are 5'5=165cm) which works out to 44.5g per day for you.

Still well below 120g.

Elizabeth

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I'm going to a nutritionist next week, so hopefully she'll tell me how much protein I actually need.

120 is a crazy HUGE amount.

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Obviously, soy products are high in protein. Soy-based hot dogs, lunch meat, etc are all great choices. But a diversity of protein sources is best, so keep these things in mind, too:

-Nuts -- full of protein and lots of other nutritious stuff as well, and they can go into all sorts of things: trail mix, baked goods, etc. When I had a nutritionist, she told me to eat walnuts. Peanut butter sandwiches and peanut sauces over stirfry are also good sources of nut protein.

-Whole grains -- whole grains almost always have more protein than their non-whole equivalents. Use brown rice instead of white. Eat whole grain bread and if you bake, try to use half whole wheat flour. Rye flour, teff flour (available in natural foods stores or Ethiopian groceries) and soy flour are also good sources of protein.

-Legumes -- split peas, lentils, pinto beans, and black eyed peas are good, as are several others.

As for calcium, I find supplementation the easiest way to make sure I get enough. 8 out of 10 women aren't getting enough calcium!  Aside from that, there's fortified orange juice or soymilk, molasses (try molasses or gingerbread cookies, a bit of molasses in oatmeal, or if you're ambitious perhaps oatmeal molasses bread), some legumes (soy, white, great northern), kale, and broccoli.

And yes, the amount of protein your doctor is telling you to consume is shocking! I would definitely ask the nutritionist about it. Excessive protein intake is linked to poor calcium absorbtion, so eating too much protein could make it harder for you to get enough calcium.

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For everyone that is gorging their bodies with protein... don't overtax your kidneys and liver!  Too much protein can deplete your calcium storage, as calcium is needed for the kidneys and liver to process protein and make it accessible to the body, too much of this -- i.e. TVP, and super-high protein smoothie shakes, fake lunch meats and whatot -- can cause a serious calcium deficit in your body, maybe why your doctor is telling you to get more calicum.  You can get enough protein through what you're eating, especially if you're not vegan.... your doctor sounds like he's on the atkin's diet, 120g. of protein a day would surly overtax your kidneys and liver... whole beans and tofu are the best route, not processed soy products with a massive injection of sodium.  Best of luck, and I admire your sense of openess and ability to ask questions. 

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I loaned my copy of Diet for a New America to my brother so I can't quote specifics but there is a section on our protein requirements and we really need FAR less than we have been historically told (the meat, dairy, and egg industries subsidize or influence (with their pocketbooks) a lot of the health information that we're given).  I would recommend reading that book.  If you're short on cash, try checking it out from your library.  He reviews 8 (or so) different guidelines for protein  - including the RDA. 

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LittleCrystal, I was going to mention the same thing. That book is the BEST! It has really made an impact on my life. I remember it also said that most doctors don't know anything about nutrition, vegan or not. They don't even have to take any courses to get their MDs. A close relative of mine is a doctor, and is a supreme example of "nutrition ignorance".  My sister took her 4 year old daughter to the doctor for a check up and for no reason at all he told her she needs to drink more (cow's) milk. Didn't say why, just said it out of the blue, and she is perfectly healthy and of normal size. My sister of course took this as the gospel and tries to get her to drink more milk now. ARGH!!! She is not a calf!!!

PS....Tempeh has way more protein than tofu (and I think better quality), although I like tofu better. I once heard tofu referred to as "the white bread of soy" by a well known vegan nutritionist! Also, almost all foods have protein, so if you just eat a lot of different healthy foods you will get what you need.

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Beans have been mentioned above, but chickpeas and hummus are both good and tasty protein sources too. I find it helpful to incorporate protein into almost every meal if I can in order to make sure I eat enough during the day (eg. quinoa w/ my oatmeal at breakfast, lentil soup at lunch, tofu at dinner, etc). I often grind up pumpkin or hemp seeds and add them to recipes (mostly smoothies). You could also try yogurt (soy varieties available), texturized vegetable protein, and goji berries, which are packed with all of your amino acids. I also eat protein wraps instead of the regular carb wraps.

In case iron is a problem for you (it is for me, I am petite, female, and athletic), I have started using maca powder. It is a root vegetable and a great source of iron. I heard about it from a vegan at a farmer's market (she also got me into goji berries).

Congrats by the way on getting your health back!

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Hi,

I was also diagnosed with anorexia last year.  So it feels good to know that I am not alone.  I have discovered lentils and split peas to be great sources of protein.  In fact, tonight I prepared a spaghetti casserole mixing tofu with lentils and it was delicious because lentils have a heartier texture to them than tofu.  I highly suggest lentils as a part of your staple food.  (1/4 cup of dry lentils = 9 grams of protein) Plus, they are so affordable.  I purchase a whole pound for about 65cents and I recently bought a pound of split peas for 39 cents!  Split peas have about the same amount of protein as lentils too AND they are both excellent sources of fiber.   

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Here are some good starts:

Beans (including soy)
Tofu, ½ cup 20 grams protein
Tofu, 1 oz, 2.3 grams
Soy milk, 1 cup - 6 -10 grams
Most beans (black, pinto, lentils, etc) about 7-10 grams protein per half cup of cooked beans
Soy beans, ½ cup cooked – 14 grams protein (try edamame, comes frozen and sometimes in microwavable steam packs)
Split peas, ½ cup cooked – 8 grams

Nuts and Seeds
Peanut butter, 2 Tablespoons - 8 grams protein
Almonds, ¼ cup – 8 grams
Peanuts, ¼ cup – 9 grams
Cashews, ¼ cup – 5 grams
Pecans, ¼ cup – 2.5 grams
Sunflower seeds, ¼ cup – 6 grams
Pumpkin seeds, ¼ cup – 19 grams
Flax seeds – ¼ cup – 8 grams

Also, lentils were mentioned in this list.  Try the ethiopian lentil soup recipe on this site, or any other lentil soup.  They're so tasty.

Also, make sure you're taking a good vegetarian multi-vitamin to start off.  And ask your doctor if you need extra iron, if they say yes, then you may want to try Solgar's "Gentle Iron", it's easier on your stomach and will give you that little bit extra that you're not getting from being vegetarian.  Also, I'd recommend picking up the Nutritional Almanac. That book will show you the nutritional information about almost every food (it will include meat, etc) you could think of.  It's great to read about the veggies and see what you're getting from them. Sometimes you can skip taking iron and just eat a lot of greens!

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