The world is retarded
Posted by AshleyKimball on Jan 29, 2007 · Member since Nov 2006 · 536 posts
The title pretty much somes this thread up--the world is retarded.
what's the most retarded justification for hurting animals you've heard?
For me: "the bible says so"
Actual quote from the bible via my ex. methodist pastor:
GENESIS 1:29
"Behold I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat."
does it talk about eating animals? NO!
the bible was made to put fear into humans so they will stay in the system of man. its an outdated form of brain washing played on young minds.
That sounds a little too typical -- playing the Emperor's new clothes?
Young minds don't understand it, resulting in bashing and distaste from one end or the other. If a truly mature mind were to truly analyze the principles outlined in the Bible, that mind would see how peaceful, gentle, loving and edifying this world has the potential to be. . .the Bible dictates that we should completely deny the system of man. . .if one were to actually follow it and not just use it as an unfounded excuse--as our Constitution is a fine work, but misinterpreted and misused with false grounds--the documents aren't the problem, it's the people that make reference to them without knowing what they actually say. . .that's the problem.
it's the people that make reference to them without knowing what they actually say. . .that's the problem.
My thoughts exactly, 7. :)
When I eat "regular" meat (meaning, meat that has been stuffed with antibiotics, growth hormones, and animal byproducts) I get ill. In fact, every time I eat pork, organic and nonmedicated or not, I get violently ill. I eat organic, nonmedicated, free ranged, etc etc, meat. I enjoy it. I don't waste an ounce.
Is that wrong?
Nooo, it is not!
Eating meat is natural. All animals eat something. Who is to say that a tree is less important than a fish?
Does a carrot scream & bleed when you pull it out of the ground & cut it up? What happens to the carrot if you don't harvest it? It rots in the ground.
Perhaps plants feel pain, but they either don't have the capacity to express it or we don't have the capacity to detect it. However, with animals, we can see & hear when they are in pain & we know they feel fear when they approach the slaughterhouse. You're right that every living being must consume other living matter to survive, but why not err on the side of compassion & eat as low on the food chain as possible?
Maybe you don't feel it's wrong to eat meat, but please remember, this is a vegetarian board & most of us are not interested in your arguments justifying meat eating.
Maybe you don't feel it's wrong to eat meat, but please remember, this is a vegetarian board & most of us are not interested in your arguments justifying meat eating.
Well said, my dear.
7 its appreant you are defending this invisible friend called god . instead let super man come an deal with me.. dont do his dirty work.
in other words let youre god fight me . why are you sticking up for him if hes so powerful .
Religion is obviously a controversial topic whenever and wherever it rears its head. However, I would like to think that here at VegWeb (particularly on such an open, accepting board as this) that we can respect each other's beliefs. Whether you believe in God or not, that is your choice, your own personal belief. Please do not challenge the beliefs of others. There was no invitation put forward here to debate the existence of God, and attacks such as the above are not welcome. Please take your arguments elsewhere.
loka samasta sukhino bavantu
May the whole world attain peace and harmony.
Let's start right here, right now.
On the "retarded" question:
I'm not trying to flame anyone or be a bitch. Really, I'm not. It just seems to me that while we're about the business of championing kindness, mindfulness, and tolerance over, well, their opposites, that we might extend the curtesy to people with disabilities.
Why you gotta disrespect a female dog like that? That's so disabled!
Thanks Lezly.
Also squigles.candi if you honestly think that all animals labled as ' freerange' live happy lives you are either very misinformed or kidding yourself. The only requirements for free range is that the animal has access to the outside. This does not mean that they actually get to go outside and run around or scratch in the dirt. There are few farmers that actually give their animals good lives. There are even fewer restrictions on 'freerange' laying hens. And at the end of the day these animals are still slaughtered and I'm sure that doesn't make them very happy.
Shanti
I agree with idioglossia 100%.
This board is not about religion. I have my own very strong views on the subject and have made them kind of known throughout some of my posts. Since I believe religion is a private matter different to each of us, let's stay friends and support one another here as we have done so well. This is a very special board. One like I have never come across. I for one, think it should stay like that.
BUT!!!!
As far as Squiqqy (where's your roommate Lenny)?
If you think your meat eating is OK. Then find a bunch of like minded friends and go play with them. If you think we humans were designed to eat meat, perhaps I can eat you! What's the difference between me eating you or a cow? I promise that I will feed you good organic food, and give you no antibiotics. When I feel your has come, I'll load you onto a truck with others like you, take you to a friendly little place run by friendly little people, and we'll all make sure you don't suffer when you are slaughtered.
Hope you have a great day (and say hi to Lenny for me)! 8)
Wow! I've been holding my tongue for a while on this one, but (MDvegan, if I may borrow your dusty soapbox...)
Religion is a very personal pursuit. To challenge someone's spirituality is the lowest of the low. It is quite simply none of your business. One shouldn't need to defend themselves or their beliefs to anyone else. Debate if you want to debate, but this isn't the place for it. Please don't attack those who state a belief system and do not attack yours. You can't prove any of it. You either know it and believe it or you don't.
One of the reasons that I am here (and I believe others) is to communally discuss things relevant to our collective vege-friendly diets and lifestyles. I can see the argument that religion has a role to play for many of you. I think that is valid. However, I for one am VERY uncomfortable with where this thread and a few others have moved in the last week or so.
I almost posted this quote yesterday that I an across:
If you don't stand for something, you'll fall for anything. Steve Bartkowski
I love this board and I look forward to hearing from you each day.
Take care,
Liz
ps. you can have your soapbox back, thank you ma'am
Eating meat is natural.
Some Native Americans ate meat (buffalo). So I'm defending squiggles. I grew up omni, I feel that judging people for eating meat would be hypocritical. Down here in Texas, wild game hunting for food and not sport is a big deal. I never liked to be around when the deer and dove were shot, but I ate them. And guess what? They led normal, happy, natural lives. Up until they were shot anyway, and they probably don't even know what hit them.
Squiggles, do you sense an air of pretentiousness about this board? I really like the recipes and some of the people on here are nice, but some of them think they are better than everyone else. Some people take their vegan lifestyles to such an extreme, it is a borderline obsessive-compulsive disorder. They are the type of people who probably claim that they have never farted.
The bottom line is that, whatever we choose to discuss here, we are all here to support each other. I think there are enough of us that feel that way to maintain the friendly environment here.
For me, the amazing diversity of the people here is the heart of this site. I think it's great that we can talk about contentious issues, but we need to be diplomatic about it. Can we agree to disagree on this particular thread, and move on to other topics?
Ramabanana, the point is, that this is a vegetarian board. Meat eaters who are interested in vegetarianism are welcome to inquire about our views & life styles, but discussing the merits of meat eating is contrary to the purpose of this board.
VegWeb is a sanctuary for those of us who disagree with the constant bombardment of the "meat is good & meat is ok" message that prevails in our society. Please respect that & don't misinterpret our aversion to the praises of eating meat for self righteousness.
By the way, I'm farting as I write. :o
Here, here, apstaats...agree to disagree it is :-X
Boy, Ashley sure opened up a can of worms, eh?
Speaking of farting, is there anything you can do about all the gas that a veggie lifestyle produces? I almost feel that I should have a little flare strapped to my rear-end due to all the methane I'm producing.......
I'll second Lezly. Furthermore, it wouldn't surprise me at all to learn that v*gans fart MORE and not LESS than omnis because our diets tend to be higher in delicious, nutritious, non-digestible fiber. Yummy! ;D
Oh I can assure you...I have never farted...
LOL! ;)
Ahh yes, my good freind fiber...haha!
I never meant for this board to go so.....off topic?
I just wanted to know what silly reasons everyone's heard omnivores use to justify corpse-devouring! Sorry if anyone's toes got stepped on! :-X
Oh, I fart, but they don't stink. I'm cool like that. ::)
I have a hard time understanding you, Ramabanana. Why is it ok for you to criticize a vet for being hypocritical if he is also a big game hunter, but "judging people for eating meat is hypocritical"? I'm afraid I don't get that. You can point out behavior that you find to be incongruous, but it's not ok for Lezly to point out that it might inappropriate to explain how it's ok (natural, etc.) to eat meat at a veggie site?
hahah, ashley... THIS is why you don't start a post with the words "the world is retarded... " everyone has something about the world that they think isn't right.
p.s. uncle john: don't be so ignorant. i have a degree in biblical and medieval studies (and i'm not in Christian, so not defending it for personal reasons) and i think i can safely say that the bible is not "stupid". please be more specific when you criticize a series of writings that have informed the social, religious and moral life of millions of people over hundreds of centuries. it has been twisted (esp. the New Testament) for political and power reasons, but is not, of itself, a "stupid book." in fact, christians, in the 1st and 2nd century, were a marginalized, peaceful, vegetarian (i'm serious... many of the lesser known apostolic letters have specific reference to this) and anti-slavery (see philemon) group. as more and more people began to join the community, the political powers (i.e roman ruling class) began to began to see the benefits of adopting a unifying and controllable religion. it is reasonably safe to say that the bible (esp. NT) has not existed in pure form since Constantine and his political puppets got ahold of it in the 3rd cen, and began the process of deciding what writings were legitimate and what parts should be emphasized. at this point, many groups, especially those that were particularily affliated with one branch of apostolic teaching or another began to break off from what they regarded as the "mainstreaming" of their beliefs (see gnostics, johanninites.
so yes, it is absolutely true that the bible has been used to manipulate and control from at least the 3rd century C.E onwards, and there are many things contained within that in their current translation rub me the wrong way, but at the very base, the tanakh and new testament are great works of literature that illustrate the morals, beliefs and history of a great many people. so there's your history lesson. feel free to feel anyway you like about anything you like, but don't make statements that are at best, ill-informed, and at worst, merely reguritated particles from the mouths of hateful and even more ill-informed folks.
well, RobinMc, I guess it has a lot to do with how one is raised. I was always taught that killing an animal just to have it stuffed as a trophy is a big no-no, but if you killed for food (which now I do think is unnecessary because of all the good-for-you plant proteins), that was ok.Going to Africa on a "safari" to kill Rhinos and big cats just for a trophy, means that someone has more money than concern for life in general. I have the right to choose what businesses I support and I refuse to support someone that does that. What is so hard to understand about that???
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