Ladies Against Feminism (NVR)
Posted by KissMeKate on May 22, 2008 · Member since Aug 2007 · 7322 posts
I stumbled across this:
http://www.ladiesagainstfeminism.com/
I thought you all might be interested, seeing as how we rock discussions of gender and gender roles here on the V-dubs. I'm really intrigued and confused by this. I don't understand why a woman would want to deny her own rights and status of equality in this way. This is all quite foreign to me.
Also, the site has links to a store with these gems:
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I'm scared. Militant fecundity? Seriously? Seriously?
Yes, there are some out there! Some who want to tie it in to their personal religious beliefs (most of whom have an attitude of wanting to feel "superior" to other women). Some who feel they've missed out on some kind of "romantic traditional" feminine role. (I've talk to some of this type who also mourn the passing of the corset and decolleté; item, they have never actually had to wear one.) Some will say, half-jokingly, "Well if a man wants to keep me, I'm going to let him!"
Wotever.
OK, so I get the idea that some women like the more traditional way of life that existed for women before feminism arose. Like, they find fulfillment in keeping house, raising a family, and assuming other traditionally female responsibilities. Which is fine and great! But isn't feminism about women being free to choose how they live their lives? Heck, I love corsets, and I love even more that I am not forced to wear one! It's not ANTI feminist to want to be a stay at home mother! I feel like these women missed the boat on what feminism is about.
The religious parts are a little more nebulous to me. But the whole thing seems so narrow--it's like, "God made men and God made women and they are different in x, y, and z ways, and they should act accordingly, and that's the only way it should go."
Basically, from my understanding, this movement came about in retaliation to the "militant"/"chauvinistic" feminism.....you know the kinds who want to socially/emotionally/literally castrate the masculine/male entities that should cross their path. One extreme deserves another!!!
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I would totally wear that.
Maybe I could make one that says Angrily Reproducing or Indignant Procreation.
Basically, from my understanding, this movement came about in retaliation to the "militant"/"chauvinistic" feminism.....you know the kinds who want to socially/emotionally/literally castrate the masculine/male entities that should cross their path. One extreme deserves another!!!
True, it's all about the "pendulum effect." When I first came to Europe about 25 yrs ago I ran across my first ultra-extreme feminists...the sort that made you feel they didn't so much want to be equal with men as to replace them. As in, get rid of all the men. ???
OK, so I get the idea that some women like the more traditional way of life that existed for women before feminism arose. Like, they find fulfillment in keeping house, raising a family, and assuming other traditionally female responsibilities. Which is fine and great! But isn't feminism about women being free to choose how they live their lives? Heck, I love corsets, and I love even more that I am not forced to wear one! It's not ANTI feminist to want to be a stay at home mother! I feel like these women missed the boat on what feminism is about.
The religious parts are a little more nebulous to me. But the whole thing seems so narrow--it's like, "God made men and God made women and they are different in x, y, and z ways, and they should act accordingly, and that's the only way it should go."
there are a couple different waves of feminism. now i dont know which is which, but most of them, i believe, follows the choice route in different ways, but i think theres one wave of feminism that is less about choice and more about... power maybe? this is something that i learned about in college when talking to one of my friends. so i might not have it correctly, but i would think someone else on here could elaborate on the waves of feminism.
Basically, from my understanding, this movement came about in retaliation to the "militant"/"chauvinistic" feminism.....you know the kinds who want to socially/emotionally/literally castrate the masculine/male entities that should cross their path. One extreme deserves another!!!
True, it's all about the "pendulum effect." When I first came to Europe about 25 yrs ago I ran across my first ultra-extreme feminists...the sort that made you feel they didn't so much want to be equal with men as to replace them. As in, get rid of all the men. ???
OK, I could see that. The man-hating part of feminism.
We had a discussion about feminism a while back, and a lot of people here were quick to bash it.
*Eerg* that is really awful! I'm not a "get on your soap box, bra burning feminist" or anything--but dang! hve respect for yourself and your gender! It's all about global equality! I would get one of those shirts and put a big circle w/ a slash through it! *yikes*
True, it's all about the "pendulum effect." When I first came to Europe about 25 yrs ago I ran across my first ultra-extreme feminists...the sort that made you feel they didn't so much want to be equal with men as to replace them. As in, get rid of all the men. ???
OK, I could see that. The man-hating part of feminism.
yeah, but i don't think post parts of feminism today has anything to do with these "ultra extreames", esp now that "gender inequality" is a "won" battle.
*Eerg* that is really awful! I'm not a "get on your soap box, bra burning feminist" or anything--but dang! hve respect for yourself and your gender! It's all about global equality! I would get one of those shirts and put a big circle w/ a slash through it! *yikes*
We had a discussion about feminism a while back, and a lot of people here were quick to bash it.
Exactly HH, if chauvinist/militant feminism (ie feminazism) :pig: were truly dead, Capture wouldn't have felt the need to downplay/justify her type of feminism. :-X I have friends who refuse to refer to themselves as feminists because of the public "feminazi" view....
One thing to keep in mind that I think most on the board can agree with is: feminism=equal rights/treatment of all women....even if this includes having the freedom to wearing one of those shirts!!! :P
True, it's all about the "pendulum effect." When I first came to Europe about 25 yrs ago I ran across my first ultra-extreme feminists...the sort that made you feel they didn't so much want to be equal with men as to replace them. As in, get rid of all the men. ???
OK, I could see that. The man-hating part of feminism.
yeah, but i don't think post parts of feminism today has anything to do with these "ultra extreames", esp now that "gender inequality" is a "won" battle.
*Eerg* that is really awful! I'm not a "get on your soap box, bra burning feminist" or anything--but dang! hve respect for yourself and your gender! It's all about global equality! I would get one of those shirts and put a big circle w/ a slash through it! *yikes*
We had a discussion about feminism a while back, and a lot of people here were quick to bash it.
Exactly HH, if chauvinist/militant feminism (ie feminazism) :pig: were truly dead, Capture wouldn't have felt the need to downplay/justify her type of feminism. :-X I have friends who refuse to refer to themselves as feminists because of the public "feminazi" view....
One thing to keep in mind that I think most on the board can agree with is: feminism=equal rights/treatment of all women....even if this includes having the freedom to wearing one of those shirts!!! :P
OMG! Why did I feel the need to downplay my stance? That is totally crazy--I should't apologise or cover up for my feminist views! Wow--I don't even know what to say. Thanks for pointing that out Hanashi--I didn't even realize I was doing that--right on!
huh, the only reason i know what fecundity is is because i have a background in family demography. who the hell else really uses that word?
Nobody aside from the Romantic poets of the 19th Century (Wordsworth, Coleridge and others of that ilk)...and they are mostly talking about the earth itself. They couldn't talk about emotions unless they were admiring Nature.
Not that I like Wordsworth etc...too verbose. Say what you mean! As I tell my students, "Write as if every word cost you money."
Burning bras is a waste of fabric. I could use those remnants for patches on my jeans! :D
I'm cool with wearing bras, because it, er, keeps me warm. But I think it would be cool if it wasn't seen as inappropriate/weird/really sexual if women choose not to wear bras. I mean, I don't enjoy seeing pokey man-nipples, but I ain't about to outlaw them.
I also wish it was just as ok for women to not shave their armpits as men. I actually prefer both sexes to shave, but I hate that it's "gross" for women to be as nature set them out to be, even though that's still generally less hairy than men.
(end feminist rant)
huh, the only reason i know what fecundity is is because i have a background in family demography. who the hell else really uses that word?
surprisingly, these "anti feminist" shirts and the whatnot are, arguably, made possible by feminism. if you can make the CHOICE to stay home, damn, isn't that a basic principle of feminism?
what are the big branches of militant/femanazis working today? the closest movement i can think of is maybe lesbian feminism, but that isn't really where feminism is today. i think the "nostalgia" of the militant/lesbian feminist/separatists movements really tainted later waves of feminism (second, third waves, eco, post/forth, humanism) so that feminist is an inaccurate blanket term used in pop culture that has lost a lot of its "supposed" meaning (i can't say original meaning, since that was like suffrage and (surprisingly) some AR stuffs). don't get me started about issues between GLBT and feminism. boy howdy that was an issue!
but it might explains how the "say feminist perspective on the first day of class and they will drop like mad" theory i use in my large enrollment courses works ;D i really don't think most people have good grasp of what contemporary feminism is about.
OK, I'm glad to hear you say this, because I was confused about who exactly these women are mad at. I don't know anyone who actively refers to herself as a "feminist"; "against sexism," more likely. But that's what I thought, demanding a choice in how you live your life IS feminism, in a sense.
now, if you were going to patch your pants, i would suggest sports bras. that's strong fabric! (avoid lace, esp for those "between the leg" holes). (i never got those kinds of holes, but most of my female friends get them ???)
hehe, no, i get holes in the knees. Plus, I'm the functional bra type, so no lace for meee.
(terribly OT, continue serious discussion:)
I actually prefer both sexes to shave
I wouldn't mind this.
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This is really scary to me. Really scary. It's not just about equality, rights, opportunities, and freedom, etc. I believe that our culture has a deep-seeded kind of HATE for women, what women stand for, and differences in "gender". Even with all the "progress" we've made... there's still a sense that it's not right for women do do what they want or be successful. It's similar for people of ambiguous gender - basically anyone who doesn't fall under the typical hegemonic male model. I don't know if I'm making myself clear.
It's like an undercurrent. They/we say everyone's "equal", but it's just not so...
By the way...
<-- THIS IS WHAT A FEMINIST LOOKS LIKE (the arrow's pointing at my profile pic ;)b ).
I know that there is a feminist movement call 'ecofeminism' which expands feminism beyond only females and includes the earth, other animals in addition to humans, race, and class. Basically, anyone oppressed or treaded upon by a patriarchal world view.
I think that some women may feel that they are judged if they choose to stay home or that now, because of feminism, they are expected to work (by other moms, wives, husbands, or society). However, the point is that inequality of any sort is unjust. Women should be allowed to choose their own path and not have their path dictated by others.
As in any group of individuals that are classified as a group, there will be differences in thought. We are all individual and look at the world through our own lens that has been influenced by our own experiences.
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This is really scary to me. Really scary. It's not just about equality, rights, opportunities, and freedom, etc. I believe that our culture has a deep-seeded kind of HATE for women, what women stand for, and differences in "gender". Even with all the "progress" we've made... there's still a sense that it's not right for women do do what they want or be successful. It's similar for people of ambiguous gender - basically anyone who doesn't fall under the typical hegemonic male model. I don't know if I'm making myself clear.
It's like an undercurrent. They/we say everyone's "equal", but it's just not so...
I hear you and I agree. Rape, abuse, attack on self-esteem are all still a common occurrence happening everyday to women. Also to the poor people in our country/world.
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