Ladies Against Feminism (NVR)
Posted by KissMeKate on May 22, 2008 · Member since Aug 2007 · 7322 posts
I stumbled across this:
http://www.ladiesagainstfeminism.com/
I thought you all might be interested, seeing as how we rock discussions of gender and gender roles here on the V-dubs. I'm really intrigued and confused by this. I don't understand why a woman would want to deny her own rights and status of equality in this way. This is all quite foreign to me.
Also, the site has links to a store with these gems:
http://images.cafepress.com/product/105035913v7_240x240_Front.jpg
http://images.cafepress.com/product/105102884v13_240x240_Front.jpg
http://images.cafepress.com/product/150125566v4_240x240_Front_Color-White.jpg
I'm scared. Militant fecundity? Seriously? Seriously?
so, I've been on vegweb for a couple of years and oddly, this is the first time I've looked at the debate board :p weird.
It didn't used to be divided into separate boards for debate, etc. That's probably why you don't remember the debate board. :)
I loved reading your post too! Very well said and insightful. I'd like to print out that second poster and hang it on my wall.
Honestly, vegweb has made me more aware of gender-related issues than any other place! Pretty much everyone I interact with on a regular basis has a "girls act like this, boys act like this," attitude and they are uncomfortable when those lines are blurred. And sometimes they will say about some of the other people in our circle of friends, "Gosh, so-and-so is such a tomboy, she needs to learn to act like a girl!" :o I was telling them about that man (the former beauty pageant girl who later decided to live life as a man) who recently got pregnant and how I thought it was awesome of him to have the courage to challenge the black-and-white, male-or-female roles so he and his wife can have a child together. And they were just like, "Kate, that's weird. *uncomfortable laughs*" ??? But now I am so much more aware of everything relating to gender; I think about it everytime I say "male" or "boy" or "female" or "girl" and more often skip those words just to say "person." So I'm glad we're having this discussion!
Also. I. Love. Kilts. If I ever meet a boy with a kilt, a mohawk (or even a faux-hawk), a vegan tshirt, and a handful of tattoos or piercings walking down the street, my life will be complete. He won't stand a chance. And if he knits, that would be ideal. But I'm not picky. ;)
KMK: lol! I laughed at your reply. I went for a consultation the other day about having my wisdom teeth out (ugh) and had to fill out a form before seeing the doc. The list of titles or whatever before my name literally made me laugh a bit (Miss, Ms, Mrs, Mr, Dr, Master(!)) No space for Other. No Mx or whatever, but Master was on there...how interesting. I was tempted to check that one off just for kicks.
I sometimes fear I take the awesome people in my life for granted. When I visit my family it's like culture shock sometimes although they only live about 1/2 h from me - here, I'm used to people being socially aware (I guess it comes with living in a university area that's pretty liberal), environmentalists, queer & trans activists, lots of veg people, etc. There are so many interesting folks to meet, and things to learn about - I feel like closing yourself off from so many of them is such a waste! it's amazing to be around such a great diverse community. When I leave here I don't expect that as much (although the last time I filled out a passport app, I was pleasantly surprised to find a trans woman was working there!) I guess when you consider issues like these, 'feminism' isn't maybe the right word...but I kind of include them in it anyway. :)
PS: one of my friends' prom dates made his own skirt for prom, way back when I was in high school. awesome.
See, I also go to an overwhelmingly liberal school, but it's really odd. There is definitely a lot of diversity and a lot of activism related to gender issues, but I guess I just wound up with a bunch of friends who, even though they're pretty much all politically liberal, environmentalists, a couple vegetarians even--they are very socially conservative. I remember having a discussion with them about how they didn't believe a person could be bisexual! (Like what, everyone who claims to be bisexual is lying? I was so confused.) And, for example, they won't touch veganism (even though they think mine is cool, good for the environment, etc.) because they can't conceive of not eating the traditional turkey and whatnot on Thanksgiving. Weird social things like that, even though they are liberal in other regards. But that's just my friends. Lots of other people on campus are more open-minded.
Haha, "master"? :o Gosh, if they insist upon having master, they at least need "Mistress." You totally should have checked off Master for fun. ;D
Also. I. Love. Kilts. If I ever meet a boy with a kilt, a mohawk (or even a faux-hawk), a vegan tshirt, and a handful of tattoos or piercings walking down the street, my life will be complete. He won't stand a chance. And if he knits, that would be ideal. But I'm not picky. ;)
Hopefully there will be two of them. *drool* *more like a puddle of drool*
I used to say that women annoy me, but because of this site I now say that the way women are socialized annoys me. I meant that from the beginning, but I guess I'm more "aware" now, and it is reflected in my speech.
(Not any of you. The ones who are whiny to gain social power bug the bejejes out of me.)
The ones who are whiny to gain social power bug the bejejes out of me.)
??? I always thought it was "bejesus." Is "bejejes" a stand against jesus? ::)
(aside: do you all get annoyed with the number of smilies I use?)
My boyfriend wears kilts, he's got two of them. And yeah, he's smokin hot. :)>>> :)>>> :)>>>
Regarding "master": I watched the Fresh Prince of Bel Air today, so all I can think of is the butler, Geoffrey, saying, "Yes, Mastah William" in his British accent.
And that prompts me to post a picture of Carlton, which has nothing to do with feminism except that Carlton was kind of a bigot. But I love his dance.
hmm....let's see if I remember my etymology correctly...
"Master" - proper English prefix for an unmarried male (now "Mr.")
"Mistress" - proper English prefix for unmarried female (now "Miss/Ms.")
"Mister" - proper English prefix for a married male (now "Mr.")
"Madam" - proper English prefix for a married female (now "Missus/Mrs./Ms.")
Okay....class is dismissed!!
The ones who are whiny to gain social power bug the bejejes out of me.)
??? I always thought it was "bejesus." Is "bejejes" a stand against jesus? ::)
Be-jesus is like "the living hell" with a twist. Originally, be-jaysus (you have to be Boston Irish to give it the proper inflection! I have this from someone who is. ;D) I have been known to use it, as you will see in my "scare tactics" thread.
(aside: do you all get annoyed with the number of smilies I use?)
??? I always thought it was "bejesus." Is "bejejes" a stand against jesus?
Bejeje (pronouned behGEEgee) is a spin on bejesus / be-jaysus, I guess. It's a term that's floated around for a while.
Oh!
:)
I used to say that women annoy me, but because of this site I now say that the way women are socialized annoys me. I meant that from the beginning, but I guess I'm more "aware" now, and it is reflected in my speech.
I don't know how many times I've been told by psychologists that I am "mentally male." By which they mean, I guess, that I am straightforward and direct in speech, not much bothered about fancy frills, and more interested in comfort than in "image." All qualities I admire in women or men, but not something I would call distinctly "masculine"--not like, say, growing a beard or having a willy. Well, OK, penis. ;)b
It just cracks me up that mental health "professionals" engage in this sort of socialization programming. I remember being in 8th grade Child Development and Human Growth class in the 70's and being taught that "androgyny" (ie non-gender classification for human beings) was the coming thing. Guess not, just yet--at least not at a grassroots level.
(Psssst--I also remember crying for two days when I was about 4 and realised I'd never have a full beard because little girls don't usually achieve a full flowing beard, at any age!) :-D
Implants, anyone? :-D :-D
Can you imagine going to one of our expensive Swiss "hair clinics" and asking for plugs in your chin? (Hey, if you've got the money, I'm sure they'd oblige!)
(Psssst--I also remember crying for two days when I was about 4 and realised I'd never have a full beard because little girls don't usually achieve a full flowing beard, at any age!) :-D
Implants, anyone? :-D :-D
Can you imagine going to one of our expensive Swiss "hair clinics" and asking for plugs in your chin? (Hey, if you've got the money, I'm sure they'd oblige!)
Hahaha! That's great.
don't think this is tasteless but you are in contol over whether you have children or not. It was a single mothers bad decision that landed her in the situation.
Your statements are not only tasteless, they are also hurtful and naive. The simple fact that single mothers are referred to as a "situation" says a lot about views on sexism in our country.
eta: I didn't read all of the other posts before I posted. This just caught my eye and pissed me off...
girls who dress like sluts and act like a complete ditz run around and complain about gender discrimination, they have it coming to them...
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don't think this is tasteless but you are in contol over whether you have children or not. It was a single mothers bad decision that landed her in the situation.
These statements offend me. The notion that women "deserve" a certain misfortune and that men bear no responsibility for these misfortunes is repulsive.
Being a single mother happens. You might not plan a pregnancy, you might be quite happily married even when you get pregnant. But life doesn't always work out the way you planned. As LA noted, husbands die and boyfriends leave. Also some women might find it much better to get out of an abusive relationship rather than raise their children in it.
Well said, Cali!
hmph. I apparently don't know how to link things.
the set is on crimethinc.com (go to posters on the tabs across the top)
first poster:
http://www.crimethinc.com/tools/posters/medusa_big.jpg
second:
http://www.crimethinc.com/tools/posters/gender_big.gif
apologies for taking up all the space, but the links weren't working. if anyone knows how to resize or cut, tell me & I will!
Thanks, Tino! I love these so much. I want the second one...
Can you tell that I just started reading this thread...I was purposely avoiding it before.
Can you tell that I just started reading this thread...I was purposely avoiding it before.
lol i know, i keep waiting for this beast to die. ::)
Awww, I like this thread! I don't want it to die. I am learning from it.
I agree. It's eye-opening, especially for those who aren't really aware of gender issues. So I think this thread's important.
Tino, you go to Guelph, right? I'm kinda jealous of the culture there... I'm at Western, and while I've found progressive thinkers and have tried to weasel my way into that circle of people (with certain campus groups and clubs, etc.), London Ontario isn't the most forward-thinking city. Neither are Western students the most forward-thinking students. It's pretty conservative in London and for the most part, pretty conservative on campus. It makes me a little sad.
It's strange to see the contrast between some of the classes I've taken. A few have discussed gender issues, and others have simply ignored these issues (as well as many others). And it's strange to see the contrast that some of my classes, my more intelligent professors, conversations I have with other "progressives", and this thread have with the way other students and professors think - gender issues aren't even on their radar screens! That, I think, is the BIGGEST problem. That patriarchy is there, and people don't recognize it, or don't think there's anything problematic with it.
Jeez.
By the way, I love the 2nd poster. Definitely want a copy - where'd it come from, exactly?
okay, okay. maybe we should start a thread "ladies and men and everyone in between for feminism". we can play there. after some of the posts, i'm just not feelin' this thread no more. i am, however, feeling LAMAEIBFF.
I posted this in abbreviation decode. ^-^
Thanks, AC, cuz ah iz totally lorst.
I can haz translation?
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